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Between a Model Y and a Subaru Outback

Discussion in 'Model Y' started by Pilot1226, Apr 27, 2020.

  1. Pilot1226

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    #121 Pilot1226, Feb 26, 2021
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    I have, thanks. I’m kind of viewing tires as a wash, but I do expect to need tires about twice as often for an EV compared to ICE. So, in a nutshell, about every 2 years for a Tesla, compared with my general track record of 4 years in my Subarus.

    I am planning for oil changes for my turbo Outback to be around $75 per, 4 times a year. So, $300. I’m making tire rotations a wash, since both cars would need it. Aside from that I am looking at a 30k interval for front and rear differential fluid changes, brake fluid changes (wash)… at 60k, spark plugs which are a beast on these Boxer engines… last I checked it was $250. I also figure the 12V battery is probably a wash, although it seems Teslas may need them a little quicker due to demand on the unit.

    In the long run I know there are things like catalytic converters, oxygen sensors, and other combustion related components that will need maintenance or repair/replacement. I figure these are also a wash, along with engine and powertrain repairs, because it’s not outlandish to think that at some point my MCU, battery, drive motors, etc will need some type of repair or replacement. Along with common suspension components.

    Anyway, I am totally on board and ready to sign, once the planets align, and we get the Federal Credit, State Credit, and most challenging of all: convincing my wife.

    I’m a little concerned at the idea of the “instant” rebate for EVs as mentioned in the link above. I’m curious if they’d truly pass along the full credit to customers or if they’d mark up the cost of the car.

    I also have to say that my Subarus have generally been pretty good aside from the maintenance requirements. Thinking back to my last several cars:

    Honda Civic had a speedometer/cluster fail at 80k, oxygen sensor fail at 50k, and kept up with all maintenance. Nissan Sentra had an oxygen sensor fail at 70k, mass air flow sensor fail at 85k. Subaru Legacy was good for the 80k/8y of ownership - no problems or repairs. Subaru Outback #1 needed an exhaust related repair around the 80k mark, then had a torque converter fail around 90k. Forester was leased so nothing needed. Did have a few things corrected under recall/warranty TSB. Outback #2 that I have now is my first turbo. Don’t know what reliability will be like. Newer engine model, direct injection… who knows. The FA20 had a habit of throwing rods or failed bearings, but allegedly the FA24 it’s based on was engineered to fix said problems. There are some early reports of oil seal leaks and problems.

    Shrug.

    I expect things to break, it’s fine. What isn’t fine is a catastrophic failure a few years into ownership after warranty ends. I expect more longevity than that. The boogeyman with the Subarus is their CVT, which often costs more than the value of the car to repair it when it fails.
     
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  2. theganjaguru

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    In the automotive world 2” clearance is a lot. Put it this way, would you rather you penis be 6” or 8”? Clearance matters like that when it comes to overlanding and ground clearance.

    11% more is still more, which means more utility.

    536 miles range (probably even with a bike rack) vs. 326 (on a good day with no headwind, no hills and perfect ambient temp) is hardly “a little further”.

    If you can’t see the more utilitarian aspects of an outback, I can’t help you there.

    If a factory Y looked like this Id say you have a point. But it doesn’t. :
     
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  3. cusetownusa

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    I like that look a lot. Where can I find what kind of wheels, tires, and I am assuming wrap, that he has?
     
  4. Pilot1226

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    2” ground clearance doesn’t mean anything to be except for times of snow on the road, which gets plowed reasonably fast. I don’t overland or off-road so the extra ground clearance is not needed. Utility is a nice thing to have, but I’m hauling soccer balls and baseball stuff - not lumber and outdoorsy stuff.
     
  5. theganjaguru

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    agree x100. Im going to be jealous if you can get a lifted Y from the factory.
     
  6. GasGuzzler

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    The effort that went into writing this question. Bravo!!
     
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  7. dhrivnak

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    It looks like a Model Y would easily cover you. But if nervous about the jump to all electric the RAV4 Prime is also an option to give you EV driving around town and gas for the trips. But after that I’ll bet your next car will be all electric.
     
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  8. Pilot1226

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    Yes. I was thinking the same - the R4Prime would just be a bridge and the more I drove in electric more the more I would just want a full EV.

    I’m also watching Toyota’s solid state development and when Tesla is going to roll out those new battery cells from battery day. While range won’t be substantially improved, it is suggestive that they can do more cycles before 80% max capacity charge degradation
     
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  9. skiwhmts

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    I think that Subarus are great but times change. I think they should put the Rav4 Prime drive train or similar in Subarus for now. That would be an awesome car. I have bought alot of Subarus for family members because the are so safe. I just bought a 2020 Toyota Prius Prime Limited PHEV as a spare car while I am waiting for the right EV to come along. It is a lot of fun. Its small and cheap to operate and I do not worry about it. That makes it great car to take to the city, leave at the airport, loan it to family members etc. The one thing that is great is the ride quality. The Prius Primes ride quality is much more compliant and smoother than the Model Y. I test drove them back to back and its no contest. I find the Model Y's ride quality unnecessarily stiff and jaring. Due to the roads around where I live its a deal breaker for me. That is why I am waiting for air suspension or 18" wheel option on the Y or I will get a Tesla S in the future instead.
     
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  10. tmp131

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    I would think Model Y ride quality would be better than the Prius Prime.
     
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    You would think so but surprisingly no. The Prius Prime may be slow and boring but its ride quality is better the Tesla Y's. And the Subaru Outback is also better. I am not talking handling just ride quality. I have two BMW's with adaptive suspensions and they are also better. The Tesla Y is set up as a stiff european ride right now. Perhaps its due to its power and torque and the handling it requires. If you roads are good you might be fine but not for Northern New England. If the Tesla Y had a adaptive suspension shocks that would help. Tesla must have its reasons, maybe a softer ride gets people sick with the torque but I think they will offer something to address this in the future.
     
  12. Uncle Paul

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    Prius Prime is optimized for fuel economy and family passenger space. It has poor performance, does not handle will, has skinny tires. Provides good value and low operating costs.

    Tesla is optimized to use no gasoline at all. Give a thrilling performance ride with great handling. Seating for 5-7. Good storage capacity plus the handy frunk. Lowest running costs and you can fuel in your garage and never need to stop at gas stations for daily use.

    Subaru burns gasoline only. Performance is boring but it has some light off roading capability.

    Hard to see how people are cross shopping for these 3 vehicles, when in reality they are designed for 3 different customers.
     
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    I get it and am not cross shopping just comparing one of many features. And it is the same customer as alot of Prius and Outback owners have a Tesla now too.
     
  14. spokey

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    Actually I have both an Outback and MY. The MY ride is a bit harder, but they are similar. The MY is actually a little wider. The storage specs aren't that different but the usability of the space seems significantly better for the Outback.

    I liked the Outback enough that at one point I wrote to Subaru basically begging them to make an EV version. If it had range, I'd have replaced the current one in a heartbeat.

    Before buying the MY, I looked at the Niro & Kona but never seriously due to the limited range. But I've been happy with the MY. The space has been good enough. And I do love turning on the climate in this cold without firing up a gas engine. I do wish the UI was better. Particularly the voice recognition.
     
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  15. polyphonic54

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    My Model 3 killed 2 Subaru batteries.

    ....Didn’t want to drive the Subaru enough to keep the 12v charged, but kept it around “just in case.” Never ended up needing it.
     
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  16. spokey

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    Mine is supposed to get picked up by the youngest but she still can't come east to get it. She is thinking maybe after everyone gets their covid vaccines (thought I don't think the 2 yo gets one). I think I need a new battery at this point. It's getting started if I crank it once a week, but barely. I'm still using it a bit for stuff like hauling home salt bags for the water softener. Seems like a better choice to have salt in a car I'm getting rid of than one I'm keeping that cost over double the old one. Plus I'm a little worried about that 160(?) lb limit on the rear floor cover of the MY
     
  17. Uncle Paul

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    Common comment that new owners keep an gasser in the garage "just in case". They end up never using it.

    Similar with someone that might want to keep an extra Subaru (backwards spells U R a Bus). for those rare occasions when they need additional ground clearance. The extra car usually just ends up collecting dust because the Tesla is just so much more fun to drive and no need to buy expensive and polluting gasoline.

    In 99% of usage the Tesla is the better ride.

    When I can get an ICE company to come to my house and fill it up every morning, at no cost, then I might consider it.
     
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  18. Giraffe950

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    I’m planning on keeping my Subaru for a while “just in case “. I’ve already resigned myself to driving it to work once every other week so it doesn’t break down from disuse. We’ll see how things actually work out once I get the Y.
     
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  19. Gwgan

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    I’m guessing Adaptive suspension will happen for the Y once Tesla gets into a stride from the new factories. The stiff ride on rough roads is one reason we opted to hold on to the old X and not trade for a new Y.
     
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  20. Pilot1226

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    I know this thread was focused on the Y, but assuming I make this my commuter and local car and the Mrs. drives the vacation car or we switch if I am bringing the kids somewhere.

    I found the rear seats a little tight in the 3, but the SR+ has a pretty solid price point especially if the tax credits come back.

    Does the 3 SR+ have a heated wheel and heat pump or has that not been changed yet?
     

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