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Beware Roadster #1126 Valley Auto Maxx

Discussion in 'Roadster' started by TEG, Feb 18, 2017.

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  1. TEG

    TEG TMC Moderator

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    I was noticing this "too good to be true" listing on Carfax:
    5YJRE1A16A1001126 | 2010 Tesla Roadster for sale in Spokane Valley, WA
    • Price: $48,700
    • Mileage: 2,119
    • Location: Spokane Valley , WA
    • Engine: Electric
    • Transmission: Automatic
    • Drive Type: RWD
    • Fuel Type: Electric
    • MPG City/Hwy: N/A
    • Exterior Color: Black
    • Interior Color: N/A
    • VIN: 5YJRE1A16A1001126
    • Stock #: VAM095
    2010 Tesla Roadster | Valley Auto Maxx


    It appears that all of the pictures are a careful "photoshop" manipulation of the #1160 listing from here:
    2010 Tesla Roadster Dallas, Texas | Starwood Motors
     
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  2. TEG

    TEG TMC Moderator

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    Domain Name: AUTOMAXXVALLEY.COM
    Registry Domain ID: 2091807350_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
    Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
    Registrar URL: www.enom.com
    Updated Date: 2017-01-20T16:52:16.00Z
    Creation Date: 2017-01-21T00:52:00.00Z
    Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2018-01-21T00:52:00.00Z
    Registrar: ENOM, INC.
    Registrar IANA ID: 48
    Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited EPP Status Codes | What Do They Mean, and Why Should I Know? - ICANN
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    Registrant Name: VALLEY AUTO MAXX VALLEY AUTO MAXX
    Registrant Organization: VALLEY AUTO MAXX
    Registrant Street: 14225 E SPRAGUE AVE
    Registrant City: WA
    Registrant State/Province: WA
    Registrant Postal Code: 99216
    Registrant Country: US
    Registrant Phone: +1.5092520760
    Registrant Phone Ext:
    Registrant Fax:
    Registrant Fax Ext:
    Registrant Email: [email protected]
    Registry Admin ID:
    Admin Name: MICHAEL WEBER
    Admin Organization: ANONYMOUSSPEECH
    Admin Street: 1-3-3 SAKURA HOUSE
    Admin City: TOKYO
    Admin State/Province: TOKYO
    Admin Postal Code: 169-0072
    Admin Country: JP
    Admin Phone: +81.09037462746
    Admin Phone Ext:
    Admin Fax: +81.09037462746
    Admin Fax Ext:
    Admin Email: [email protected]
    Registry Tech ID:
    Tech Name: MICHAEL WEBER
    Tech Organization: ANONYMOUSSPEECH
    Tech Street: 1-3-3 SAKURA HOUSE
    Tech City: TOKYO
    Tech State/Province: TOKYO
    Tech Postal Code: 169-0072
    Tech Country: JP
    Tech Phone: +81.09037462746
    Tech Phone Ext:
    Tech Fax: +81.09037462746
    Tech Fax Ext:
    Tech Email: [email protected]
     
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    DeedWest 2010 Roadster 2.0 - VIN 523

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    #4 DeedWest, Feb 18, 2017
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    Yep! @Roadster and I were just discussing this monstrosity. I found it hilarious that they didn't even use the correct VIN and the real one had 47,000+ miles before it sold.

    Even worse, ALL of the cars on there have been directly ripped from Starwood Motors' site. They're geniuses at expertly photoshopping out the Starwood logo in every photo.
     
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    #7 TEG, Feb 18, 2017
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    They are not even that. In the photo in post #2 you can easily see that the lines of the concrete block wall have been erased.
     
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    Hmmm.... Automaxxvalley.com appears to be hosted out of Moscow ?!

    automaxxvalley1.png

    The "new cold war" appears to be waged on the Internet...
     
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    #12 TEG, Feb 19, 2017
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    #13 Roadster, Feb 19, 2017
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    Thx for the governance and vigilance with these fakes, @TEG. Looks like two others just popped up on AutoTrader y/day as well and both were previously discussed:

    AutoTrader ad: Used 2011 Tesla Roadster
    Being sold by "Central Auto & Repair (CAR)" in Des Moines, IA
    B.K.A. #1351 which sold on eBay back in Dec '16.

    AutoTrader ad: Used 2010 Tesla Roadster Sport
    Being sold by "Roberts Auto Services" in Latham, NY
    B.K.A. #801 which @moezilla is selling here on TMC.
     
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    Thanks TEG. Agreed, the level of online fraud is staggering. You really have to be careful and examine the URL to make sure you are where you think you are whenever you are engaging in any kind of financial transaction.

    And carfax.com and cars.com and autotrader.com are full of bogus listings.
     
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    I can see that the fake listings are getting better and better (e.g., harder to tell it isn't real), so they must be making money at this stuff. When they post a fake listing, they go to great lengths to put bread crumbs on other sites that make it look like a background check confirms everything.

    If you notice two different versions of a web site for a small dealer with different telephone numbers, be suspicious.

    Getting a phone number in a certain area code is easy these days. I am not even sure what laws they are breaking other than "false advertising"... But if they are run out of the country, I don't think you would have any luck getting the attention of the authorities.

    The chances seem small that a little local roadside use car dealer would end up with a Roadster for sale.
     
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    What is the end game on these? Do they get victims to wire a deposit "to hold the car" until you can actually see it? Surely, no one is going to send tens of thousands for a purchase sight-unseen.
     
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    I don't know for sure, but I think the usual things is to request a "deposit to hold" that you never get back.
    Like "we have someone else coming to see the car, but if you wire us $500, we will hold it for you."
    Stuff like that I imagine.
     
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    When I bought my Roadster, it was from a relatively small used-car dealership (in New York state).

    I did everything people here talked about...called them up, discussed the car, gave them a deposit (over the phone), and then flew up later in the week to check out the car.

    Now, it was a legitimate dealership, and a legitimate car but, the transaction(s) happened just like you're talking about these scams happening.
     
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    And I think that is the point here: the scammers are getting very good at impersonating legitimate businesses.
     

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