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Biggest and Smallest Wh/mi and Biggest Projected Range

Discussion in 'Model S: Driving Dynamics' started by Cottonwood, Oct 7, 2012.

  1. Cottonwood

    Cottonwood Roadster#433, Model S#S37

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    #1 Cottonwood, Oct 7, 2012
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    OK, let's start a fun contest for the biggest and smallest Wh/mi with a screen shot for evidence. The 5 mile Energy screen has the least averaging, so let's use that as a standard. For the largest positive number, we should have two categories, normal driving and spirited driving; the difference will have to be on the honor system. For the smallest (most negative) number, I think one category is enough.

    Also, let's do the Biggest Projected Range. For that, let's require a full 30 mile average (no resets and small baselines). This really means that you are trying for the 30 mile average closest to 0 but positive. When the average is negative, the projected range just equals the rated range, but when you get down near 0 but positive, the projected range gets wonderfully (but unrealistically) optimistic. I know that I have seen over 20,000 miles, but don't have a picture to prove it...

    For the first entry, I will submit in the Biggest/Normal Driving category, driving up the road to my house and up my driveway in Pagosa Springs at ~25 mph. The grade starts about two miles out at 5-10%, then rises to 10-15% for the last mile, with the last 50 yards at 18%. With that I got 1,630 Wh/mi.

    Big Wh-mi.jpg

    I will keep this first page updated:

    Biggest/Normal: 1,863 Wh/mi - Cottonwood
    Biggest/Spirited:
    Smallest:
    Biggest Projected Range: 32,274 - dadaleus
     
  2. dadaleus

    dadaleus 4GETOIL P85#S70,FdrX,S85D

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    #2 dadaleus, Oct 7, 2012
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    WOW.

    I was going to start a bit similar thread because we drove up to Big Bear yesterday in my S and I was surprised how much extra energy it used going uphill. I haven't kept good records, but I could swear it chewed up battery quite a bit faster than it did in the Roadster. This could be the extra weight of the car, plus we had two adults, two kids, an 85lb dog, and a trunk and funk full of stuff (fairly light, but still) in the car.

    I got 19.1 kwh used to go up 7,200 feet over 28.3 miles, or 673 wh/mi. So no where near your peak. Looks like the worst of the trip rolled off my graph before I got a picture, but I had quite a bit of time at almost 900 wh/mi still on the graph when I got to the top.

    I was actually a bit nervous, because this was a total 133mi drive and I hadn't been saving energy on the way since I thought I had plenty of battery, even in standard mode. But we made it with 27 rated (ideal) miles left. Whew! Next time I'll know to keep my speed down a bit more on the way or put a little extra range charge on it before I leave.

    BB Range.jpg

    I'll take a pic on the way down too. If the S follows the Roadster's behavior, I should get a nice huge projected range.
     
  3. Cottonwood

    Cottonwood Roadster#433, Model S#S37

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    Yup, people don't realize how much energy is needed and you get back going up and down mountains. Here is a spreadsheet that I did.

    Screen Shot 2012-10-07 at 2.24.53 PM.png

    This is for a lightly loaded Model S. You were probably 5-10% more than this in weight (250-500 lb), meaning 5-10% more potential energy. This shows that every 1,000 ft is same as 6 rated miles. Your 7,200 and 5% is worth 45 rated miles right there, just for the climb.
     
  4. dadaleus

    dadaleus 4GETOIL P85#S70,FdrX,S85D

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    #4 dadaleus, Oct 7, 2012
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    How's this? (Sorry for really bad pic):
    35274 Range.jpg

    In fact, right after that it very quickly showed a 95,225 projected range! Really wish I had a picture of that but it was too quick. I was getting excited that I might have enough range to make it to the moon (238,900 miles), and Elon had actually stumbled on an even better engine design for SpaceX! Just have to find a way to go downhill the whole way there.

    But then it almost immediately switched to showing the "rated" range as the projected range. I think it must top out at 99,000 and then it reverts to the rated range.

    Here's a clearer pic with a little lower range:
    21000 Range.jpg

    And here's my Wh/mi chart:
    Wh mile way down.jpg
     
  5. Cattledog

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    Top Ten Quote of the Year

    dadaleus +1

    In fact, right after that it very quickly showed a 95,225 projected range! Really wish I had a picture of that but it was too quick. I was getting excited that I might have enough range to make it to the moon (238,900 miles), and Elon had actually stumbled on an even better engine design for SpaceX! Just have to find a way to go downhill the whole way there.

    Nominee for top ten quotes of the year.
     
  6. dadaleus

    dadaleus 4GETOIL P85#S70,FdrX,S85D

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    Ha, glad you liked it Cattledog.

    I was sure surprised when it went over 999, because that's the max the Roadster shows (as I know from this same drive). When it got into the 10s of 1000s we were all flabbergasted.
     
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    Jason, we go to Big Bear/Lake Arrowhead once or twice a year. I only see a few residential chargers there on PlugShare. Is there some where you stay that has more than a 120V outlet? I'm guessing in winter, 120V would barely keep the battery warm.
     
  8. dadaleus

    dadaleus 4GETOIL P85#S70,FdrX,S85D

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    One of those you are seeing is mine. I have a NEMA 14-50 outlet there and have it listed for the public to use. Not many takers so far that I'm aware of.

    There's also a guy in Running Springs that has his Leaf J1772 available. I've stopped by and tested it out and it works great--but of course requires patience. There's a pretty good Mexican / Pizza place right nearby. (Odd combination, but the Mexican food is actually pretty good.)
     
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    Nice, now I see the description with your info. I may have to grab an hour of charge from you one day if we take the S up there.

    El Jacalito is the only Mexican food I've had up there, didn't know there was a Mexican / Pizza place, but I love both of those, so maybe next time.
     
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    dadaleus 4GETOIL P85#S70,FdrX,S85D

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    It's a total hole-in-the-wall. Not somewhere you'd stop without a reason.
     
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    We need that in-car app badly: "capture screenshot, add my favorite bragging line, and post it to TMC."
     
  12. Cottonwood

    Cottonwood Roadster#433, Model S#S37

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    #12 Cottonwood, Oct 8, 2012
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    OK, 32,274 miles is now the official biggest projected range! Congratulations! That is more than once around the earth at the equator!

    Here is another entry for me in the Biggest/Normal category, 1,863 Wh/mi. Same driveway, but this time with 4 adults and luggage. I picked some people up at the airport in Durango...

    Big Wh-mi2.jpg
     
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    Cottonwood something went wrong with your picture
     
  14. Cottonwood

    Cottonwood Roadster#433, Model S#S37

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    I tried to upload again. See if that worked...
     
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    it's ok now! thanks!
     
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    dadaleus 4GETOIL P85#S70,FdrX,S85D

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    Are you driving up a cliff??? I'm surprised you can get traction on something that requires that much power.
     
  17. Cottonwood

    Cottonwood Roadster#433, Model S#S37

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    #17 Cottonwood, Oct 10, 2012
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    Its 15% for the last few hundred yards, leading into a banked turn and a last push up 18% to the garage. The last 1,000 feet are asphalt where traction is not an issue. Climbing an 18% grade is like a continuos 0.18 g acceleration for the tires*; no big deal. Before the aspalt, it is gravel, and the traction control does kick in some climbing the gravel. The real question is how well will the S do when I put the snow tires on and try to come up the road in its normal, winter, packed-powder state. The banked turn is there so that I can maintain a little more momentum into the that last 18% pitch.

    *Actually, the equivalent g force is sin(tan-1(slope%), equivalent g does not equal slope%, but for 18%, the error is small, sin(tan-1(0.18)=0.177, less than 2% error.
     
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    "OK, 32,274 miles is now the official biggest projected range! Congratulations! That is more than once around the earth at the equator! " That's great, because once you get past the equator, it's all downhill...right :)
     
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    So I'm betting you have a view.

    Can you park your car in front of it for a pic?
     
  20. Mark Petersen

    Mark Petersen Model S EU P71

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    Tesla should make a high score page that show best avg 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 miles, longest range on one charge, all time/ this month
    and a score on how you rank in comparison to other users
     

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