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Bitcoin, Cryptocurrency and Blockchain Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'TSLA Investor Discussions' started by Crowded Mind, Sep 1, 2017.

  1. jhm

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    No, not mining. More like AI as financial agents, micro-lending for example. When contracts a completely digital (from negotiating, consummating, transacting to execution and enforcement all on a block chains using digital tokens), AI can run the show. OTC trading, for example, all becomes AI driven, no human broker/dealers. Block chain protocol adjudicates contracts, almost no needs for lawyers and courts. So in effect, AI becomes your lawyer, broker, agent, whatever.
     
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  2. Johan

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    Thanks for clarifying and I agree with this take on it.
     
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    I share a less optimistic view about digital contracts from the early hack in Ethereum DAO (The $55M Hack That Almost Brought Ethereum Down - CoinDesk). As I recall, this was a really amazing case where a bug in the code allowed someone to siphon off $55M from basically an Ethereum-backed crowdfunding project. They were left with the decision of letting the faulty contract remain in place and losing $55M (but standing by their "code-as-contract" principle), or forking the blockchain and getting everyone their money back (but again re-inserting humans in to contract enforcement). It's really hard to write bug free code.

    But aside from that, what's stopping those other things from happening right now with the existing financial system? I would that most OTC transactions for instance are already electronic.
     
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  4. jhm

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    This video is helpful for understanding bitcoin. Presenter comes at it from mostly a computer science view point.

     
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    This is the best discussion with Saylor that I've come across. Quite worth the 2.5 hour listen.
     
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    Coming in very late here and someone may have mentioned it, but there is a boom going on in Washington State in towns that used to have aluminum smelters. Those towns had the smelters because of dirt cheap hydroelectric power. Cryptocurrency miners have set up large server farms there to mine the currency with cheap electricity.
     
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    Just because the electricity is cheap and clean doesn't mean its unlimited and we can do whatever we want with it. This notion that its ok to mine crypto with renewables because they are renewables so it doesn't matter is flawed
     
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    Unless there is excess capacity which would otherwise be curtailed.
     
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    Thereby distorting the market for stationary storage!
     
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    Currently demand for stationary storage outstrips supply so I don't see that as an issue at this time.
     
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    If you're interesting in possibility to use bitcoin in lending, this is a good discussion. Banking functions are becoming replicated within the crypto ecosystem. There looks to be a lot of opportunity to make these credit markets more efficient. Currently you can deposit bitcoin and earn 6% (over and above whatever gains bitcoin realizes just from holding it).
     
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    I have been in Bitcoin for a long time. Nobody who is serious is worried about the Satoshi Bitcoins. These coins have for the most part not moved. The vast majority of them are lost forever and will never move. Occasionally a block moves, but they are not known to be connected to the larger stashes.

    While certain people claim to be "Satoshi", I think the odds are they are no longer alive.
     
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    WA state has hydro resources. There has been a movement to remove damns where ecological impact has been significant. See the beautiful Elwha river valley. There is learning going on.

    IF, and it yet to be proven, electricity costs come down, then some of these hydro resources may have to compete with the ecological value of their removal.

    This behavior of crypto on potential ecological repair is not a particularly great statement. Some may prefer to tout this as efficiency but it smells a bit of greed at the expense of environmental sacrifice.
     
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  15. lascavarian

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    Odds being the correct term for the pure gambling going on vs actually knowing a fact. The Satoshi entity is a huge problem IMO.

    How much of Bitcoin is hidden? The whole thing comes with a stench of fraud and corruption to some. Bitcoin that is not in circulation every 12 months should be deprecated so that at the very least the float can be a little clear IMO.
     
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    This prescription would have disastrous tax implications in many jurisdictions and would lead to unnecessary energy use.
     
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    I feel like this statement could be used to describe bitcoin's existence independent of the discussion its attached to
     
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    A good point. But there needs to be a way to validate the quantity of something if the principal design feature/value is limiting the quantity of the thing. Seems a bit circular to me too.
     
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    Bitcoin could become the “currency of choice for international trade”, says Citi

    Citi looks at bitcoin as potential trade currency. Note this particular advantage:
    This is right in line with bitcoin becoming corporate treasury asset. There are advantages to having a trade currency that is not beholden to any national government, decoupled from politics.
     
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