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Blue Nose

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by vfx, Feb 25, 2013.

  1. vfx

    vfx Well-Known Member

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    Somewhere Franz said the Genlll/bluestar would be an opportunity to do something different with the design of an EV. Of course that means Tesla would not be doing what some have considered "safe" design they have practiced on the Roadster and Model S.

    With little need for a big radiator Tesla opted to do a fake radiator on the front of the Model S. (Still waiting for someone to paint it the same as the car -possibly dechrome it as well)

    So what full sized cars have successfully had no radiator on the nose? Sports cars don't count). Post pics here.

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  2. ElSupreme

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    Well the VW Beetle lineup immediately came to mind. The original had no such air intakes in the front:
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    The New Beetle and the current version have Model S type under intakes.

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    Saw these on the way home from work yesterday (all pics from Wikipedia):

    Oldsmobile Alero, and Aurora (I think most of the early 2000s Olds were this way).
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    Also the first generation Ford Crown Victoria had very little radiator:
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    A common design element seems to be to wrap the hood down over where the grill normally is.
     
  4. vfx

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    So it is possible.

    prototype.jpg I wonder if Tesla started out with a working grill with the brand shape on the Model S, and put it on the new Roadster front, and then determined they really did not need it but was already committed?
     
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    Citroën DS, of course!!

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    Well.. not actually different, but no grille for sure, and simpler is sometimes better.
    They would probably want to stay away from this look though for obvious reasons...
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    How about the Tatra 77? One of the most aerodynamic cars, ever! I think it looks really cool, personally.
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    1. No radiator because its powered by a futuristic "Fuel Processor" that primarily ran on Hydrogen
    2. Comes equipped with bullet proof Aero wheels
    3. Already has the Tesla signature monitors on the center console.
    4. Voice recognition enabled
    5. Has the ability to turn the car on when the owner is within range.
    6. Ability to communicate and and change settings in the car with a watch (or Android app).
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    Can anyone look at that car and say it's aerodynamic? It's a joke. Flat upright windshield and the wipers. Cloth roof, fenders, door handles, wheels, ...running board! They did not even address air passing under the bottom of cars in those days so the airflow underneath would be a plate of spaghetti. They never actually tested this car in a windtunnel. Just a model. It is to laugh.
     
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    This was the working grill on the first driving Model S.

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    According to some sources on the internet, quoted from Wikipedia, the Tatra T77A scale model 1:5 was tested in a wind tunnel and had a drag coefficient of 0.212, which is better than the Model S.

    I don't know how accurate the reports are, I was just going by what I read. It does look quite aerodynamic to me, with the swept rear fenders, and very rounded front and rear.


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    The best near perfect aerodynamic shape is a waterdrop. All those protrusions I mentioned each cut away from that perfection. Have you followed the thread on wheel covers? A seven percent improvement on range for a seeming tiny change? The Tatra (the real car not some fanciful carved block of wood with no wheels and no bottom) in a wind tunnel today would probably do worse than the 80's melted cube of butter cars of the 80's.

    Wind tunnels have changed too. Even from 20 years ago. The EV1 would not score as well in a modern tunnel. There are wind tunnels used today all over the world and some are aknolwded as more accturate than others for accurate readings. The latest ones have the car's tires actually rolling for the most accurate drag numbers. Imagine how crude they were in the 30s.

    I do wonder why aerodynamicists don't bother changing the Tarta Wiki reading. I guess they all know it's so ludicrous it's not worth their time. Like Fox news.
     
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    #17 TEG, Mar 5, 2013
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    ^ that's the Lexus from Minority Report, isn't it?! (after a paint job)
     
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    #20 Alpha, Mar 6, 2013
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    Ford Seattle-ite XXI
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    and the Gyro-X
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    and the Nucleon
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    Radical Stuff!
     

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