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BMW i3

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by gregincal, Jul 23, 2013.

  1. gregincal

    gregincal Active Member

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    IMO that's making a big assumption about where BMW is going with this. I think it's fair to say that it could be a competitor, but I'm not sure it necessarily will be. It depends whether BMW takes the Nissan route of cutting prices and keeping the car limited range or really tries to enhance the car to be a true 3 series competitor (I can't imaging the current i3 being terribly interesting to most of the normal 3 series buyers). The styling choices really point to the european city car market.
     
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    #2 NigelM, Jul 23, 2013
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    The i3 has too low range, the i8 is a Fisker Karma with better badging.....If that sounds dismissive, well I guess it is.

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    Exterior looks basically like all spyshots/concepts - it's weird but not in a completely horrible way. Looks better than the Leaf. I particularly dislike the rear doors, but it's not a deal breaker.

    It's the interior that is unexpected. I'm not sold on the "techno-futuristic" look of the dash. I'd have to see it in person before I make any conclusions.

    As I said before, might be a good leased car until the Gen 3 gets here.
     
  5. dsm363

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    The i3 is definitely a Leaf competitor, not a Model S competitor.
     
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    I like the shape if it is final production car. Also range extender is interesting since it acts as generator only.

    In US many housing complex don't have plugin facility. Even if you purchase new condominium or townhouses they have HOA and what not to prevent you from doing it (different topic). I think such buyer can plugin at rental places and use range extender as back up.

    I will think about it only after test drive & more user reviews.
     
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    Keep in mind that BMW's base MSRP usually doesn't include a lot of the options that luxury buyers typically want (just try customizing a 3 series… they nickel and dime for every last feature), so expect an i3 to actually be close to 50k on average.


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    I just saw this review over at Motor Trend: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1307_2014_bmw_i3_first_drive/

    They can't stand the way it drives:

     
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    #10 Doug_G, Jul 23, 2013
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    This thread is for discussion of the BMW i3. For the i8 please see BMW i8.

    For older posts please see BMW i
     
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    #12 bluefuego, Jul 23, 2013
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    I am trying my darndest to reserve judgement on the i3 until I see it in person as I try to let my inner Tesla fangirl'ism grow and accept EV's of all flavors.. but I am enjoying some of the comments on this article that I have run through Google translate. :biggrin:

    I'm even trying to accept the whole range extender aspect. But I thought I read that the engine that the i3 will utilize is their motorcycle engine? Isn't that type of engine terribly not clean burning?
     
  13. gg_got_a_tesla

    gg_got_a_tesla Model S: VIN P65513, Model 3 Res Holder

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    Oh, how I wish it could seat 5... My wife's itching to swap her Mini for a small EV. Gen 3 seems so far away; trying to avoid the Leaf...

    Speaking of the Mini (a Clubman S with a "suicide door" on the passenger side), just wanted to note that these rear doors are going to be incredibly painful to use for backseat passengers unless they are nimble kids.
     
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    Mercedes B-Class may be your wife's best bet. Suicide doors should be perfect for my daughters (who will be 4 and 1.5 by the time I would get the i3). The B-Class and i3 are my top contenders to replace our Volt in October 2014.
     
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    Two gaps so far
    1. No explanation on what the range extender does to the driving dynamics? Do you have to go under 55? Can't climb a hill? Is it powerful enough to drive a super lightweight car at 75?
    2. Reports of "limited production numbers" - probably due to the carbon fiber assembly. I wonder how much weight savings they are getting (as a percent of the car's overall weight) instead of aluminum. That would give us an indirect estimate of the utility of CF (very expensive, difficult) vs. alum (expensive) and if it is a real competitive advantage
     
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    Chevy Spark? 400ft-lbs of torque. :) Autoblog seemed to like it...
     
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    Well, as it uses a 650 cm3 generator, it should have a constant power output of about 40 kW. That is enough power to drive at constant 140 km/h.
     
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    The i3 has the range that most people need. Really, it doesn't take much to go to Tesla's range... just piling up more battery power with the corresponding $$$. But BMW has done their market assessment (for Europe) and realized 100km is enough for most.
     
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    Exactly, not everyone wants 70k to 100k EV (ah luxury ev or whatever you want to call for model s).

    I think 90 to 125 range is pretty good for US driver on daily commute. You need more range extender option sounds great but need more details before commenting.

    I like the production pictures and price is not bad if you avoid extra features (again up to individuals)
     
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    I would not buy a pure EV with 100 km range. First of all, is that a real "100 km"? Is it 100 km in even in the dead of winter, without ridiculous hypermiling techniques? Probably not - look at the Leaf. They claim 160 km but it's really 90 km. And at -20C it's 90 km with the cabin heat turned off.

    Secondly, while 100 km would easily get me to work and back, it would NOT handle the fairly frequent trips I need for various work and personal errands all over the city. I would be constantly worrying about my charge level. This is why the Tesla's vehicles are so compelling - you can drive an EV with no range anxiety whatsoever on a daily basis. Every single day there's always enough range to do whatever you need to do.

    Even people for whom a 100 km range is merely a psychological barrier, that will be enough to prevent them from purchasing the vehicle. It will not be a market success without a range extender. As soon as you go to a range extender you have all kinds of compromises - increased complexity, weight, maintenance, etc.

    While everyone else is building cars that won't sell, Tesla is building cars that people really want. That is why they will be successful.
     
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