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As the M3 production approaches, I find myself looking at listings for used BMW i3's...
I see used 2105 models with only 5-8k miles on them for $20k. That's like an almost-new car that originally sold for 50k.
Yes it is weird looking. But the inside looks cool, it's faster than the volt, it can go 80-100 miles per charge, and can charge quickly. And it has KNOBS and BUTTONS on the console instead of just a giant touchscreen!
Assuming I get a M3 with only a few options and the FULL fed and CA tax rebates (totaling $10k), it'll still cost me at least $35k. I'm not rich, but I'm sick of giving money to the sociopaths in the fossil fuel industry so I want an electric car. I'm also an aggressive driver so I need something with zip, so the fiat and leaf are ruled out.
An M3 would be faster and cooler looking and with double the range, but is that worth $15k to me over a used 2015 i3?
As the tesla superchargers get more crowded, the M3 long haul advantage will be reduced. It will effectively be an urban commuter car, just like the i3.
Also I trust BMW's build quality far more than tesla. I read this forum enough to hear about all the build quality issues teslas have.
I guess it will largely come down to whether or not I can get the full tax credit. If not, my decision will be made for me and I'll go for the i3. If I can get the 10k in tax credits on the tesla, and I'm choosing between a slightly used $20k 2015 i3 w/ 10k miles, versus a brand new $35k M3, I'm not sure what I'd pick.
I had a chance to test drive an i3 a few weeks ago. It was not that impressive. I've had half a dozen BMWs over the years, and always appreciated their dynamics, but the i3 is missing all of that. It's slightly more entertaining than a base FWD ICE economy hatch, but not much.
Plus it looks weird and the interior materials are so ostentatiously "recycled" feeling that it's like sitting in a dumpster.
I wouldn't buy one, not even for 20k. At that price point, buy a GTI and wait for CPO Model 3s to be available in a couple of years.
Now is the time to reserve a Model 3 so you will still likely receive the federal and depending on the state you live in, state incentives. A few years from now CPO Model 3's may be as expensive as a new one that you buy later this year or early 2018, as the incentives will be gone on new ones, the CPO's will rise in value/price as well.I had a chance to test drive an i3 a few weeks ago. It was not that impressive. I've had half a dozen BMWs over the years, and always appreciated their dynamics, but the i3 is missing all of that. It's slightly more entertaining than a base FWD ICE economy hatch, but not much.
Plus it looks weird and the interior materials are so ostentatiously "recycled" feeling that it's like sitting in a dumpster.
I wouldn't buy one, not even for 20k. At that price point, buy a GTI and wait for CPO Model 3s to be available in a couple of years.
Cars for Sale: Used 2014 BMW i3 for sale in Anaheim, CA 92806: Hatchback Details - 450219197 - AutotraderCan you please give me links to these i3 you see online for $20K? Very interested at those prices. Thanks
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Interesting that like for like spec mileage and condition, the REX's are holding their money better. (Same is true here in the UK market, with REX cars being worth additionally more used than the REX option cost new.)
@slipnslider
Interesting that like for like spec mileage and condition, the REX's are holding their money better. (Same is true here in the UK market, with REX cars being worth additionally more used than the REX option cost new.)
Amateurs buy REXes and quickly learn that they rarely (if ever) use it and even more rarely ever need it.
Add to that the reliability of the i3 BEV and the lack thereof for the REX and the i3 BEV is one I'd have bought for Rio were they available here. Sadly, only the i3 REC and i8 are sold here and very, very few of those since both are priced here rather like Patek Philiippe, but without much of a warranty.Not to mention that the one i3 I know about in Rio needs new tires every 5,000 km or so, with regular road hazards destroying tires and wheels. The i3 REX seems to have been intended only for impeccable roads and very frequent service. My neighbor keeps trying to use it anyway, and there is free charging at our favorite Supermarket and our favorite shopping center too.Did you drive the BEV or REX? The REX is about a second slower to 60 due to the 300lb added weight of the gas motor. The i3 gets its performance from lightness and the BEV weighs around 2600 lbs. Adding 300lbs to it is more than a 10% increase.
I have an i3 BEV and I find that, although it's not even close to Tesla performance, it is fun to drive. It is also quick and nimble. Again, the REX probably not so much.
That's my take on it too.I'm not surprised. REx cars are much more flexible - and maybe more importantly, won't feel nearly as scary to the 99% of the car buying public who have never owned an EV.
That's not quite correct.Tesla Model 3 sold 87,282 in the first quarter of 2020
Those are US sales numbers for Bolt.For comparison
Chevy Bolt sold 16,418 in 2019.
That's not quite correct.
Tesla produced 87,282 Model 3 and Model Y combined. We don't know how many of those were Model 3 and how many were Model Y.
Only 76,266 Model 3 and Model Y were delivered though.
If it's 50:50 between 3 and Y, then 38,133 Model 3 were sold in the first quarter of 2020.
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