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bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
And BMW had the audacity complain that Tesla was just using them for publicity. Seems like they're throwing Tesla's name about for the headlines when they've got .... nothing.
jkliu47
Member
Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
It's a gas car.
Once again a premium German brand proves that Tesla is the one to beat now, the new standard.
Once again a premium German brand proves that Tesla is the one to beat now, the new standard.
Kalud
Active Member
Exactly!
That BMW would be quite nice without its gas engine. Imagine it with an free frunk and 200mi+ range. Oh, also, without its transmission tunnel and drive shaft that use so much room in the cabin. But where would they place the idrive controller... Oh wait, maybe add a 17 inches display and remove all the knobs...
It might be able to lap the Ring though... Until a Tesla can without going into limp mode I wouldnt be too disrespectful.
Being able to lap the Ring at maximum possible speeds is a meaningless capability for 99.999% of car buyers, and if the S could do that it would not increase Tesla's sales one bit because Tesla will be production constrained for years.
FredTMC
Model S VIN #4925
will be nice to hear how hard you can drive P85D before it limits power. My understanding is TM improved the Ds cooling vs old P85
If our guess about a motor rotor heating lookup table is right, the D should have close to twice the power before limiting kicks in, and recover almost twice as fast. I'm waiting curiously to see what actual P85D track results are like.
Walter
Well you could argue that straight line performance better than 0-100 km/h in less than 6 seconds is pretty meaningless, but it's still desirable by some.
I use that straight line performance daily, multiple times a day.
I'd never, ever use a car the way you'd drive the Ring.
Looks to me like an M series Volt. Not really a match for the D, though spinning all four wheels on electricity sounds pretty good.
At a reasonable price, potentially a compelling option in places where you need longer trips and there are no suitable Superchargers.
(And just a concept so far.)
Walter
At a reasonable price, potentially a compelling option in places where you need longer trips and there are no suitable Superchargers.
(And just a concept so far.)
Walter
Indeed. Maybe not for the things being worked on right now, but there will come a time fairly soon where any ICE performance car in development will either be abandoned or arrive on the market and be seriously outclassed by it's EV competition. ICE performance just can't compare at that same price point.
Other ICE cars, non-performance, will eventually be in that situation as well, but it'll be a much longer timeframe. Performance ICE cars are a smaller, expensive niche and that niche is going to be wiped out by EVs quite soon.
over 6 would be 'meaningless'.. under 4 seconds is pretty good. I do <5s 0-60 pretty much every time I need to get up to 60mph. it leaves a good 'safety spacing' between you and other cars, not meaningless
Ok then it's settled then if you dont use a car that way it's not needed or wanted by the rest of the world.
I really must wonder if BMW (& others) are avoiding the high-performance Tesla-type EV because they know it will make the rest of their gasoline clunker lineup look silly. 
Which of course leads to: why not just get rid of said clunker lineup and switch entirely to EV? (And supercharger roll out).
Which of course leads to: why not just get rid of said clunker lineup and switch entirely to EV? (And supercharger roll out).I have no idea what your point is. The rest of the world regularly does laps at the Ring? The rest of the world doesn't accelerate from a stop?
No but people who does want a performance car might do laps there or at other tracks. My point being its kind of weird that all people use as a comparison in this thread is 0-60 time. Not lap-times, top speed, suspension etc.
If we are to discuss performance there is a lot more to it than 0-60 that is relevant.
Everyone accelerates from a stop, I've never been involved in an accident caused by being in a car with a bad straight line performance, which a lot of people here to think is a vital safety feature. I'd say it's as much of a safety feature that the car doesn't go in to limp mode when pushed hard...
P85 is an M3 killer in a tight track format like autocross
probably would slaughter an M5
limp mode..still has ~ 200hp. not exactly unsafe.
the straight line performance of the S has saved me from needing to do a hard swerve for quite a few close calls, just drop the pedal and get out of the way
Jaff
Active Member
Well said...no autobahn's anywhere else, so track performance / autobahn performance is irrelevant...
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