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Bolt EV: 2017 Motor Trend Car of the Year
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SabrToothSqrl
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Let's not forget the human lives lost to GM... I'd greatly prefer them to just vanish. I even have a 2009 Tahoe and loathe the thing.
How can you not say 'bad' things about the Bolt? It's the puppy from that movie right? The super hero dog that finds out he's... not super... yep. that's the Bolt.
It's fugly, has no charge locations, is about as advanced as my lawn mower, and is the pinacle of every forced compliance car I've ever seen. Only the Leaf is a bigger joke with it's awful lines and obese rear-end.
Park a 3 and a Bolt side by side. We will see which one collects dust.
How can you not say 'bad' things about the Bolt? It's the puppy from that movie right? The super hero dog that finds out he's... not super... yep. that's the Bolt.
It's fugly, has no charge locations, is about as advanced as my lawn mower, and is the pinacle of every forced compliance car I've ever seen. Only the Leaf is a bigger joke with it's awful lines and obese rear-end.
Park a 3 and a Bolt side by side. We will see which one collects dust.
I think some of you are thinking of Hot Rod magazine. Motor Trend is for the china teacup with pinky raised crowd. GO BMW!!! HURRAH, HURRAH HONDA!!
It's comedy to think Motor Trend is a GM fan. Yes, they started to acknowledge that Americans make cars too, but that doesn't make them fans by any stretch of the imagination. An American car must be vastly superior to the import choices to get the nod from MT. And of the American brands, GM is on their syit list.
The most significant comment from that article is that an EV is an ICE beater in the middle level price arena. Not because it Saves Teh Whales, but because it's a superior driving experience.
Somebody had posted that a Bolt EV will never be considered a Hot Hatch. I suggest a nice Riesling to wash down your crow with.
It's comedy to think Motor Trend is a GM fan. Yes, they started to acknowledge that Americans make cars too, but that doesn't make them fans by any stretch of the imagination. An American car must be vastly superior to the import choices to get the nod from MT. And of the American brands, GM is on their syit list.
The most significant comment from that article is that an EV is an ICE beater in the middle level price arena. Not because it Saves Teh Whales, but because it's a superior driving experience.
Somebody had posted that a Bolt EV will never be considered a Hot Hatch. I suggest a nice Riesling to wash down your crow with.
Hilarious.
Motor Trend took a couple of Bolts to the Tesla Design Center and parked them out front....why didn't someone bring out a Model 3? OH WAIT, they don't exist yet! Snap!
Only 3 that was publicly accessible seemed to have been that hollow shell parked outside the Gigafactory with the melting, droopy side mirrors. LOL
First World Problems suck. Why didn't you buy the Honda or Toyota? Hostage situation? This is why we need gun control NOW!!!
sorry but the our dumbass government kindof bought the awards...for 11.2 billion....Green Car Journal is going to announce the Green Car of the Year 2017 in a couple of days. That'll be another award the Bolt snags that GM "bought". Lol
Tesla repaid its loans.
JohnSnowNW
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As I alluded to, not being able accept constructive criticism is a hallmark of fanboyism. The Bolt named "best car to buy" before it's available, and in light of the expected production numbers, is pretty absurd. The assertion that it will compete with the M3 is likewise absurd.
The Bolt is going to be a fine vehicle, and I laud GM for building it. But the sensationalism around it, and fanboyism, is over-the-top. Of course, this opinion makes me a Tesla fanboy according to GM fanboys.
This has been rehashed over so many times, but is worth repeating since the Bolt has now gotten a major award...
The Bolt is a solution in search of a problem. There are two things that are keeping EV's from getting over 1% of the total new vehicle market. Those two things are: 1) lack of range, 2) lack of long distance fast charging network.
You can lease or buy any number of EV's right now that have ~100 mile range. Studies have shown that a very large % of the population has a commute that is shorter than 100 miles round trip. There are people who need more than 100 miles for a commute, but thats a small % of the overall market.
Still, your 100 mile Fiat, Kia Soul EV, or 200 mile Bolt cannot (easily) be taken on a road trip of more than 250 miles. Can you do it? Sure, just pray that the single DCFC that you absuletely positively need to stop at on your route for 40 minutes isn't being used or that the other 6 Bolts aren't waiting to use it when you get there. So basically, the number of buyers who will not buy the Bolt due to lack of long distance capability vastly outnumbers the number who will buy it because they need between 100-200 miles for commuting.
Until GM starts building the nationwide Supercharger network like Tesla did, the Bolt remains a niche product, because most people will not be buying a car that can't do long distance travel.
I applaud GM for doing something versus nothing, but time will show the above to be true. And time will tell how good of a car the Bolt actually is.
RT
The Bolt is a solution in search of a problem. There are two things that are keeping EV's from getting over 1% of the total new vehicle market. Those two things are: 1) lack of range, 2) lack of long distance fast charging network.
You can lease or buy any number of EV's right now that have ~100 mile range. Studies have shown that a very large % of the population has a commute that is shorter than 100 miles round trip. There are people who need more than 100 miles for a commute, but thats a small % of the overall market.
Still, your 100 mile Fiat, Kia Soul EV, or 200 mile Bolt cannot (easily) be taken on a road trip of more than 250 miles. Can you do it? Sure, just pray that the single DCFC that you absuletely positively need to stop at on your route for 40 minutes isn't being used or that the other 6 Bolts aren't waiting to use it when you get there. So basically, the number of buyers who will not buy the Bolt due to lack of long distance capability vastly outnumbers the number who will buy it because they need between 100-200 miles for commuting.
Until GM starts building the nationwide Supercharger network like Tesla did, the Bolt remains a niche product, because most people will not be buying a car that can't do long distance travel.
I applaud GM for doing something versus nothing, but time will show the above to be true. And time will tell how good of a car the Bolt actually is.
RT
And we all know how THAT worked out.
Does Apple still make a computer worth owning? Pretty sure they just make decorative oversized tablets with keyboards and a mouse. Heck, can they even track your eyes yet, or deal with 64 or more cores, or have virtual reality systems yet? Heck their tablets and phones still lack USB support right? And normal USB is almost obsolete now.
In any case, Jobs never understood that Woz wasn't the only genius building personal computers. It wasn't IBM who killed him, it was the tidal wave he never saw coming.
Bolt EV a finalist for the North American Car of the Year award....along with the Genesis G90 and Volvo S90. http://wardsauto.com/industry/chevy-bolt-ev-finalist-na-car-year
No Tesla listed anywhere.
No Tesla listed anywhere.
And we all know how THAT worked out.
Does Apple still make a computer worth owning? Pretty sure they just make decorative oversized tablets with keyboards and a mouse. Heck, can they even track your eyes yet, or deal with 64 or more cores, or have virtual reality systems yet? Heck their tablets and phones still lack USB support right? And normal USB is almost obsolete now.
In any case, Jobs never understood that Woz wasn't the only genius building personal computers. It wasn't IBM who killed him, it was the tidal wave he never saw coming.
The point, is the recognition from the current "leader" that major entrants in to the market helps legitimize the business. "A rising tide raises all ships."
Secondarily, don't forget that IBM doesn't even MAKE a personal computer any more...
anticitizen13.7
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And we all know how THAT worked out.
Does Apple still make a computer worth owning? Pretty sure they just make decorative oversized table
LOL. It doesn't work out too well for you:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.cio....bm-says-macs-save-up-to-543-per-user.amp.html
Apple's Mac business alone would be a huge and profitable standalone company, even if it is relatively small compared to iPhone.
"It wasn't IBM ..." yes, I was there in CP/M days, and Apple II's using a Z80 card with Microsoft Business Basic. I built and sold clones.
I used a soldering iron to overclock.
Technically it was Nissan who created the new age of EV's. Not playthings for the wealthy, but a practical family car that did not have a gas engine.
IIRC, Lenovo came from IBM:
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SmartElectric
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Seriously, we're going to do a pissing contest here?
I sincerely hope that GM sells every Bolt it can make so that it helps BEVs become a serious consideration for many more people. But they aren't a Tesla. Maybe, @bro1999 that this award will make you feel better that you are settling for a Bolt. I hope so.
Nissan screwed up so many things... it did not provide proper leadership for the EV movement. The crappy battery and range has stained the EV movement for quite some time. The crappy DCFC standard it promoted set us back significantly as it diverted precious resources. Tesla did exactly what they had to do as a small startup to make EVs with as little compromise as possible. And yes, it had to be expensive at first. A Nissan Leaf is far more expensive than the Versa it is based upon... as is the Bolt versus the Buick Encore. Take a look at the various parts of technology and infrastructure leadership and the relative capital at their disposal. Nissan, GM, and VAG did not provide the kind of leadership that Tesla has been providing.
Even today, the Bolt is a significantly compromised product. Still, it should rock out the entire bottom part of the market and cause BMW, Nissan, VW, and others to raise their game. That's a good thing. We need more people asking about J1772 installs. We need more people thinking about and buying EVs. It can't just be Tesla.
I sincerely hope that GM sells every Bolt it can make so that it helps BEVs become a serious consideration for many more people. But they aren't a Tesla. Maybe, @bro1999 that this award will make you feel better that you are settling for a Bolt. I hope so.
Nissan screwed up so many things... it did not provide proper leadership for the EV movement. The crappy battery and range has stained the EV movement for quite some time. The crappy DCFC standard it promoted set us back significantly as it diverted precious resources. Tesla did exactly what they had to do as a small startup to make EVs with as little compromise as possible. And yes, it had to be expensive at first. A Nissan Leaf is far more expensive than the Versa it is based upon... as is the Bolt versus the Buick Encore. Take a look at the various parts of technology and infrastructure leadership and the relative capital at their disposal. Nissan, GM, and VAG did not provide the kind of leadership that Tesla has been providing.
Even today, the Bolt is a significantly compromised product. Still, it should rock out the entire bottom part of the market and cause BMW, Nissan, VW, and others to raise their game. That's a good thing. We need more people asking about J1772 installs. We need more people thinking about and buying EVs. It can't just be Tesla.
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