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Bolt EV EPA range = 238 miles combined!

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by bro1999, Sep 12, 2016.

  1. bro1999

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    This could be good news for my beleaguered hometown of Detroit. These could be big sellers to the ride-sharing market if GM pushes them rather than treating them as compliance vehicles. Not sure that's going to happen though.
     
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    After 238 miles, how long will it take to charge it and get back on the road?
     
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    That is really impressive. I wonder if Elon and company rethink the "less than 60 kWh" battery now?
     
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    Why? They have an SC network...
     
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    GM has said an 80% charge takes an hour and that would be about 190 miles. Some online materials still say 160 miles in an hour (80% of 200) but I think those are now out-of-date. GM still hasn't given an update on the final charging rate so these numbers may change again.
     
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    The highway range works out to ~ 304 Wh/mile consumption while driving.
    Back in the day, I estimated the Bolt Air and Road resistances as 260 Wh/mile at 110 kph. I presume the difference is in the drivetrain and perhaps tyres
     
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    Sounds about right -- for the best case scenario. I estimate two hours for everybody else using "quick" charging at 30 kW throughput.
     
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    Why do you only estimate 30 kW charging when your typical SAE Combo QC has 50 kW output? The Bolt pack is large enough that there should be no significant amount of tapering of the charge until 80% or higher.
     
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    But did your 260 Wh/mile number include charging overhead? Add 12-15% charging overhead and your number is very close.
     
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    No charging overhead, but IIRC the range number that the EPA reports does not either.
     
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    Well, if the Bolt range is true, then kudos to Chevy - it looks like a good little run-about, and it should prove popular. Hopefully it will be *widely* available.

    I do expect some (eventual) reply from Tesla since they did say *at least *215 mi for the Model 3.
     
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    I am happy for GM, I think they have done a good job with this car and the Volt. If there was no model 3 plans than I think the Volt would kick ass this year. As for the Bolt, I think it will really put pressure on the LEAF more than anything. When people think electric car they think of a cute little pudgy car like the Bolt, LEAF or Prius. Model 3 buyers(at least myself) are going for a little more class and if I were not buying electric cars, I would be buying a BMW.

    The more competition in the electric space, the better for the future of the industry and the world. The same cost reductions that will allow Tesla to make more of a profit on the model 3 at 35k, will hopefully help reduce the cost of the Bolt to $27,000 which is about what Prius's go for and Toyota sells millions of them. At 30k after the tax credit, I think GM will be successful with this vehicle. They will take some sales away from the Prius and the LEAF but hopefully they take sales away from ICE cars like the Chevy Impala(also priced at 27k).

    Not sure why the media continues to compare things to Tesla or talk about Tesla killers. Tesla will sell every car it can make for at least the next 3 years without a problem and that is without a single commercial or advertisement and not being able to sell directly in most of the states. The Bolt will bring in some older people that are more comfortable with a "GM car" into the Electric world and based on every electric car I have driven, they will be very impressed and likely never go back to an ICE car. Well done GM.
     
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    How did you calculate 304 Wh/mile?

    The EPA MPGe and kWh/100 miles numbers include charging overhead.
     
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    Also, GM says the price will be "under $37,500". Already blew the range number out the park.....could the price be another home run?
     
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    Your right Im sure he is not a man of second best and there is way too much riding on the model 3 for it to be inferior to the competition. Less than the Bolt range would be simply be disappointing and im confident Elon would want to be a hero at the final presentation - good news for people who want the base model.
     
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    Bolt is still $2500 more expensive (unless that changes now) and you will have to pay more for the DC charging option. As we know Tesla already has cars with much bigger range than Bolt (and more expensive). If we compare range we have to compare the price also.
     
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