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The White Anglo Saxons have never Marched down to the Brandenburg Gate in the last 100 years.The German Army did so at the end of WW1, and the Russian Communists did in the second...
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The White Anglo Saxons have never Marched down to the Brandenburg Gate in the last 100 years.The German Army did so at the end of WW1, and the Russian Communists did in the second...
WAB passed in the Commons. Now goes to the Lords.
Ursula von der Leyen has come and gone from meeting with Boris. No news really. Won't be a "complete" trade deal in a year.
We are more interested in Meghxit! She has gone back to Canada.
Ursula von der Leyen has come and gone from meeting with Boris. No news really. Won't be a "complete" trade deal in a year.
We are more interested in Meghxit! She has gone back to Canada.
And now we see the first steps towards the first inevitable consequence of Brexit - The break up of the UK.
This is seen in the reengagement of Sinn Fein in the political process.
Northern Ireland assembly to sit on Saturday after three years
"Northern Ireland’s main political parties have agreed to a deal that will lead to the restoration of the power-sharing government in the region following its collapse three years ago...(Mary Lou McDonald) added that Sinn Féin was “committed” to Irish reunification efforts and to making sure people across the north-south divide enjoyed the same rights."
To be followed shortly by the second inevitable consequence - renewed calls for another Scottish Independence referendum.
This is seen in the reengagement of Sinn Fein in the political process.
Northern Ireland assembly to sit on Saturday after three years
"Northern Ireland’s main political parties have agreed to a deal that will lead to the restoration of the power-sharing government in the region following its collapse three years ago...(Mary Lou McDonald) added that Sinn Féin was “committed” to Irish reunification efforts and to making sure people across the north-south divide enjoyed the same rights."
To be followed shortly by the second inevitable consequence - renewed calls for another Scottish Independence referendum.
2 weeks to Brexit however, more importantly, Megxit is happening. Canadians not sure about footing the security bill. Don't worry, they will be on their way to LA soon (once Trump is no longer). Maybe they will live with Elon and Grimes!
EVNow
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Funny how it has completely fallen off the market news. Brexit took so long, nobody cares anymore - even the election results that sealed Brexit didn't cause even ripple on US markets.
RobStark
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"There will not be alignment, we will not be a ruletaker, we will not be in the single market and we will not be in the customs union - and we will do this by the end of the year," Mr Javid(Chancellor of the Exchequer) said.
PM outlines Brexit day celebrations as chancellor tells businesses to 'adjust'
PM outlines Brexit day celebrations as chancellor tells businesses to 'adjust'
This indeed has confirmed Boris' intention. Another story today is that Boris intends to start talking to US trade talks ahead of EU.
2 weeks to go - its all becoming real.
Megxit has also been agreed today. Dropping HRH - they are going their own way - no ties at all.
Lord's WAB amendments rejected by Commons - over to the EU to sign up. Leaving a week tomorrow. Sad day but also nervous excitement of significant change to the country inbound. Real estate prices on the up, GDP projected to catch up with the EU having fallen behind during negotiations.
RobStark
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Singer3000
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I woke up this morning and didn't feel any different. What does this mean?
Boris kept it low key - wanting to distance himself from Farage no doubt.
I thought it was the 1st of April when I read this from the....Guardian.
Why Brexit is a chance to fix the UK economy’s long-term problems
Everything is back to normal, you won't find it easily now on the website.
Still pretty much no Brexit chat at work. Peeps not bovved.
Boris is preparing the EU for a hard Brexit. Custom checks now seem to be a given. Sounds like the plan is to get some sort of deal out of the EU this year. The EU will have to do a deal if they think Boris won't extend and they will be threatened a bit by the Trump deal possibility. The EU still hold the cards and can force a tough deal though. The EU can't help themselves - overly tough which backfires on them time and time again. This will then force us into the open arms of Trump or whoever in 2021.
I said we should have taken the Theresa May deal... The irony is that the lefties could not have ended up in a worse place by failing to back the centrists just for a second. Didn't want to give an inch, now they have lost the war.
Boris kept it low key - wanting to distance himself from Farage no doubt.
I thought it was the 1st of April when I read this from the....Guardian.
Why Brexit is a chance to fix the UK economy’s long-term problems
Everything is back to normal, you won't find it easily now on the website.
Still pretty much no Brexit chat at work. Peeps not bovved.
Boris is preparing the EU for a hard Brexit. Custom checks now seem to be a given. Sounds like the plan is to get some sort of deal out of the EU this year. The EU will have to do a deal if they think Boris won't extend and they will be threatened a bit by the Trump deal possibility. The EU still hold the cards and can force a tough deal though. The EU can't help themselves - overly tough which backfires on them time and time again. This will then force us into the open arms of Trump or whoever in 2021.
I said we should have taken the Theresa May deal... The irony is that the lefties could not have ended up in a worse place by failing to back the centrists just for a second. Didn't want to give an inch, now they have lost the war.
EVNow
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Boris and Barnier ramping up the rhetoric. At this rate you can forget a border at dover, it's gonna be a wall....
The EU have not yet adapted to the UK being a very different animal to them under May just a few months ago. The remainers have given up. Boris has a huge majority, MPs under his spell. Unfortunately, I believe that Boris will carry out the threat of a no deal if necessary. Barnier does not believe that he will go through with it and is ruling out the Canada style deal which is the only sensible starting point. He is of course on the moral high ground because the WAB suggests a closer arrangement. The NI border demands it.
Boris' trump card is he knows the Germans (who rule the EU) need their cars to be tariff free.
Pride is a dangerous thing, all the EU leaders had ample opportunity to keep us in the tent, from Cameron's time onwards. They have taught us so many lessons that we really don't care anymore. Shooting ourselves in the foot looks like light relief compared to another slap of the face with an EU fish.
Boris is slowly turning himself into a statesmen also - no clownish behaviour that we used to see from him. Despite being a known eurosceptic, he isn't really. He is also liberal but has hard rights devoted to him.
Winning is not good enough, he has to look like Churchill whilst winning (regardless of the strategy employed).
The EU have not yet adapted to the UK being a very different animal to them under May just a few months ago. The remainers have given up. Boris has a huge majority, MPs under his spell. Unfortunately, I believe that Boris will carry out the threat of a no deal if necessary. Barnier does not believe that he will go through with it and is ruling out the Canada style deal which is the only sensible starting point. He is of course on the moral high ground because the WAB suggests a closer arrangement. The NI border demands it.
Boris' trump card is he knows the Germans (who rule the EU) need their cars to be tariff free.
Pride is a dangerous thing, all the EU leaders had ample opportunity to keep us in the tent, from Cameron's time onwards. They have taught us so many lessons that we really don't care anymore. Shooting ourselves in the foot looks like light relief compared to another slap of the face with an EU fish.
Boris is slowly turning himself into a statesmen also - no clownish behaviour that we used to see from him. Despite being a known eurosceptic, he isn't really. He is also liberal but has hard rights devoted to him.
Winning is not good enough, he has to look like Churchill whilst winning (regardless of the strategy employed).
Boris no longer a clown? Hey, he's one of the top three.
Here's what those pesky Germans, who run things at the EU, make of him.
This was one of the floats(!) at the annual Danube January swim.
Clowns rule the world send them back to the circus.
Here's what those pesky Germans, who run things at the EU, make of him.
This was one of the floats(!) at the annual Danube January swim.
Clowns rule the world send them back to the circus.
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Mike Pence hints UK's Huawei decision could jeopardise trade talks
Senior Tories want Huawei 'ruled out' of 5G plans
This illustrates the UK problem well. We want global free trade but not sure how to get there.
UK - EU trade talks couldn't be further apart with 6 months to go:
France gets tough with UK, demands BoJo sign up to EU rules in return for Brexit trade deal – reports
Boris won't accept regulations - I am going to list my ditch on Airbnb for him...
Senior Tories want Huawei 'ruled out' of 5G plans
This illustrates the UK problem well. We want global free trade but not sure how to get there.
UK - EU trade talks couldn't be further apart with 6 months to go:
France gets tough with UK, demands BoJo sign up to EU rules in return for Brexit trade deal – reports
Boris won't accept regulations - I am going to list my ditch on Airbnb for him...
RobStark
Well-Known Member
Singer3000
Member
The revised Political Declaration says no such thing:
“The Parties will retain their autonomy and the ability to regulate economic activity according to the levels of protection each deems appropriate...
The Parties envisage having an ambitious trading relationship on goods on the basis of a Free Trade Agreement, with a view to facilitating the ease of legitimate trade...
These arrangements will take account of the fact that following the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the Union, the Parties will form separate markets and distinct legal orders...
The economic partnership should through a Free Trade Agreement ensure no tariffs, fees, charges or quantitative restrictions across all sectors...
The Parties should conclude ambitious, comprehensive and balanced arrangements on trade in services and investment in services and non-services sectors, respecting each Party's right to regulate.”
etc...
Should the European Commission choose to flex its protectionist muscles and renege on these principles, I believe it will be a diplomatic mistake of quite historic proportions. Turning what should be the EU’s most dependable ally in the world into a politically distant if not outwardly hostile actor.
The Johnson government is totally dominant in the domestic political landscape and is making the argument for global free trade.
Membership of TTP by the end of 2021 looks quite possible. And if as currently looks likely Trump wins re-election, a series of sector by sector trade agreement with the US will follow. Further, a subset of Commonwealth countries is highly likely to sign a free trade agreement with the Uk, a small step to repairing the damage done to their economies when the UK delegated it’s trade policy to Brussels in the 1970s.
I think for now your fear remains an unlikely outcome. But who knows, we are certainly living in times where the benefits of international trade are being drowned out by the voices of protectionism. What is for sure is that the Johnson/Gove liberal interpretation of Brexit most categorically does not fit this stereotype, though it remains to be seen which narrative will be followed by the new European Commission.
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