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Mp335

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Dec 18, 2020
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Hi all. Quick questions about this process since I am getting confused.
When buying used model 3 from private/dealer seller
A. How do you make sure AP/FSD travel with car and not get disabled later? My understanding us these capabilities are car specific and now owner specific..is that right?

B. How you transfer this car to your tesla account since after purchase from dealer you will not have any contacts with previous owner.
Thanks again!
 

elptxjc

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Dec 15, 2019
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El Paso, TX
I'd NOT pay for FSD. I've read numerous times that it eventually gets disconnected. Unless you get a letter from Tesla, I'd pass on that car. Good luck.
 

Mp335

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Dec 18, 2020
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Seattle
I'd NOT pay for FSD. I've read numerous times that it eventually gets disconnected. Unless you get a letter from Tesla, I'd pass on that car. Good luck.
Thanks! Can someone clarify if FSD moves with owner to new car? Otherwise tesla is robbing 10k from cars value???
 

Tam

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Nov 25, 2012
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Visalia, CA
A. How do you make sure AP/FSD travel with car and not get disabled later? My understanding us these capabilities are car specific and now owner specific..is that right?

Please see:

Does FSD stay with the VIN?

Tesla YANKED FSD option without notice - Class Action lawsuit? Any Lawyers here? [Resolved]

...B. How you transfer this car to your tesla account since after purchase from dealer you will not have any contacts with previous owner...

You can open up an account online with Tesla right now and it would show that you own no cars.

You then need to add your car to that page so you can use the mobile app.
 

jjrandorin

Moderator, Model 3, Tesla Energy Forums
Nov 28, 2018
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FSD is supposed to travel with the car, AS LONG AS (and thats a BIG As long as)

1. The original owner actually paid for it in the first place (some people have FSD enabled on their cars but never paid for it, because their "free trial" never ended. Tesla catches this on ownership transfer, and removes it. Much gnashing of teeth ensue, as the original owner never paid for it, but it was on the car, and the new owner feels entitled to it because it was there.

2. The car never went through Tesla after original sale. If the person you are buying it from is the original owner, then you are golden. If its some third party car dealer (vroom / carvana etc all third party car dealers, as well as "joes exotics"), then you dont know if the car was bought directly from the original owner or if it was bought at auction. If bought at auction, it could have been sent to auction by tesla.

IF both of those are true, then tesla generally removes FSD from cars sold to them. That process can sometimes take a bit, so "joes exotics" (or vroom / carvana) could be selling a car and the person sees FSD on it, assumes it will stay (even if vroom / carvana dont advertise the car having FSD), and the removal catches up with the car.. later.


So, TL ; DR... If buying private party, ask is the person if they are the first owner AND verify they have FSD showing as purchased in their tesla account. You should be good then.

If buying from a third party lot, dont add much value to FSD cause there isnt any way to verify whether it passed through tesla hands or not. Perhaps you could contact tesla with a rep from the third party lot on the phone as well, for tesla to verify status of the car (because they wont talk to anyone about the car except the owner).
 
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Mp335

Member
Dec 18, 2020
5
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Seattle
FSD is supposed to travel with the car, AS LONG AS (and thats a BIG As long as)

1. The original owner actually paid for it in the first place (some people have FSD enabled on their cars but never paid for it, because their "free trial" never ended. Tesla catches this on ownership transfer, and removes it. Much gnashing of teeth ensue, as the original owner never paid for it, but it was on the car, and the new owner feels entitled to it because it was there.

2. The car never went through Tesla after original sale. If the person you are buying it from is the original owner, then you are golden. If its some third party car dealer (vroom / carvana etc all third party car dealers, as well as "joes exotics"), then you dont know if the car was bought directly from the original owner or if it was bought at auction. If bought at auction, it could have been sent to auction by tesla.

IF both of those are true, then tesla generally removes FSD from cars sold to them. That process can sometimes take a bit, so "joes exotics" (or vroom / carvana) could be selling a car and the person sees FSD on it, assumes it will stay (even if vroom / carvana dont advertise the car having FSD), and the removal catches up with the car.. later.


So, TL ; DR... If buying private party, ask is the person the first owner AND verify they have FSD showing as purchased in their tesla account. You should be good then.

If buying from a third party lot, dont add much value to FSD cause there isnt any way to verify whether it passed through tesla hands or not. Perhaps you could contact tesla with a rep from the third party lot on the phone as well, for tesla to verify status of the car (because they wont talk to anyone about the car except the owner).
Thank you so much! This is super helpful information.
 

Mp335

Member
Dec 18, 2020
5
0
Seattle
FSD is supposed to travel with the car, AS LONG AS (and thats a BIG As long as)

1. The original owner actually paid for it in the first place (some people have FSD enabled on their cars but never paid for it, because their "free trial" never ended. Tesla catches this on ownership transfer, and removes it. Much gnashing of teeth ensue, as the original owner never paid for it, but it was on the car, and the new owner feels entitled to it because it was there.

2. The car never went through Tesla after original sale. If the person you are buying it from is the original owner, then you are golden. If its some third party car dealer (vroom / carvana etc all third party car dealers, as well as "joes exotics"), then you dont know if the car was bought directly from the original owner or if it was bought at auction. If bought at auction, it could have been sent to auction by tesla.

IF both of those are true, then tesla generally removes FSD from cars sold to them. That process can sometimes take a bit, so "joes exotics" (or vroom / carvana) could be selling a car and the person sees FSD on it, assumes it will stay (even if vroom / carvana dont advertise the car having FSD), and the removal catches up with the car.. later.


So, TL ; DR... If buying private party, ask is the person the first owner AND verify they have FSD showing as purchased in their tesla account. You should be good then.

If buying from a third party lot, dont add much value to FSD cause there isnt any way to verify whether it passed through tesla hands or not. Perhaps you could contact tesla with a rep from the third party lot on the phone as well, for tesla to verify status of the car (because they wont talk to anyone about the car except the owner).
Thanks a lot! So if car has 2 private owners on carfax before reaching dealer and its 2019+ then good chance it's legit as Tesla might have caught it in previous transfers..i don't see auction sell in carfax.
 

jjrandorin

Moderator, Model 3, Tesla Energy Forums
Nov 28, 2018
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Riverside Co. CA
Thanks a lot! So if car has 2 private owners on carfax before reaching dealer and its 2019+ then good chance it's legit as Tesla might have caught it in previous transfers..i don't see auction sell in carfax.

If the car has 2 previous owners on carfax, and still has FSD, its likely it would stay, but remember, I dont work for tesla (lol). If they are advertising it as FSD, I would work to get confirmation of that if they were pricing it into the price.
 

Mp335

Member
Dec 18, 2020
5
0
Seattle
If the car has 2 previous owners on carfax, and still has FSD, its likely it would stay, but remember, I dont work for tesla (lol). If they are advertising it as FSD, I would work to get confirmation of that if they were pricing it into the price.
Make sense! Thanks again!
 

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