SageBrush
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Are you talking about release of methane to the atmosphere ?
What are the global fractions ?
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What are the global fractions ?
That was what was said in the presentation at the North Texas Renewable Energy Group last week. I looked and didn't see any actual reference. The closest I found was here, but it doesn't give the percentage.
lowtek
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I bought some BYND burgers ..open minded .. because I love soy burgers .. but yuck .. doesn't matter much better it is if people won't eat it .. can't we just stick a cork up a cows ass or something and keep eating beef?
JRP3
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A bit out of pocket at the moment but this piece made me think of this thread, as I believe it does a good job showcasing the complications of modern life and our food chain.
Opinion | I Admire Vegetarians. It’s a Choice I Won’t Ever Make.
Opinion | I Admire Vegetarians. It’s a Choice I Won’t Ever Make.
nwdiver
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I've long been an advocate that we need to get out of this silly tradition of respecting tradition....
JRP3
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I've long said that "tradition" is just another way of saying "lack of imagination".
mspohr
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The problem is not having a pig roast on special occasions. The problem is the daily "tradition" of eating fast food burgers raised on denuded Amazon soy.
SageBrush
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'Tradition' has been co-opted by the reactionary, conservative crowd.
It used to mean respect for the past. And respect did not imply refusal of progress, it meant acknowledgement of historical accomplishments and continuing approval of traits viewed as positive such as courage.
lowtek
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I don't think "reactionary" is a problem with of us conservatives, I find my peers quite willing to try new things, tradition be damned, and we are usually very moderate but forced to exist further right in an attempt to balance the loud far left.
The whole problem is that it's not what consumers want. We want burgers. (I used "We" very loosely, I'd be perfectly happy with a soy burger, I just didn't like the BYND meat burger).
You're not going to force change by making critical arguments about the benefits of changing ... invent a better burger and watch how fast thing change.
The whole problem is that it's not what consumers want. We want burgers. (I used "We" very loosely, I'd be perfectly happy with a soy burger, I just didn't like the BYND meat burger).
You're not going to force change by making critical arguments about the benefits of changing ... invent a better burger and watch how fast thing change.
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lowtek
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Because people rarely look past the tip of their nose ... most just don't care enough to inconvenience themselves with any productive change ... It's convenient for folks to be internet activists on social media, but ask them to give up something they don't want to and see how that goes ... well, I guess you see how that goes ... there is way too much to unpack to not write a composition on that question
Humans excel on the brink so I guess we'll see what happens when we get there ...
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lowtek
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That's just it .. it's not a matter most people really care about .. so make a better burger or chicken finger at the same or lower price with benefits that someone is interested in and they will consume it .. but just spouting off "you must save the environment by paying more for something that isn't the same as what you want or are used to" isn't going to do much for the sake of change .. they will just smile and nod in agreement and move right along to the butcher ..
SageBrush
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If it is accepted as critical, how is it not cared about ?
That just does seem to follow
cpa
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Getting a little off topic, but to answer your question:
I have gleaned that at one time or another in your professional career you were/are a physician. I assume that you had patients of all types over the years. Did all your patients heed your professional and expert advice when it came to their medical issues? Were some of them recidivists? My personal physicians and physician clients have relayed to me that one of the most frustrating parts of their practices was that their patients ignored or dismissed their advice. Their health did not improve; it got worse. Their surgical procedure did not heal properly, and it had to be redone. Likely a host of other complications. It is just human nature for many people to reject the wise counsel of others and do what they want to do, consequences be damned. It is easier to maintain the same old inertia than it is to change it.
Unless of course you were a ME. If so, then your patients were beyond any medical assistance. But I am sure they told quite the story!
lowtek
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JRP3
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Then why are the more expensive yet not quite as good burgers and chicken replacements selling so well? I'd say there is some inherent desire in a significant number of people to not eat animals and/or be healthier.
lowtek
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They are presumably selling well (right now) because of vegans looking for options and folks, like me, that are curious. Let's see in 3 years where they stand.
My point was that if you want mainstream adoption it better have the taste and texture like and cost the same or less than beef. Otherwise, it's just a fad.
I for one would pick a soy burger over a beef burger any day, I just love the taste of soy burgers, but the BYND burgers tasted like soggy layered cardboard. The folks that sampled with me agreed. My confidence in the long term performance of the company, just based on this experience and how much more than animal meat the product is, took a hit.
I'd be curious of the adoption rate of beef lovers beyond sampling.
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