CA DMV - Your 2018 Model 3 can get EV State Credit OR Carpool Sticker, but not both?

[ZeApelido]

"Effective January 1, 2018, the Department of Motor Vehicles cannot issue a CAV decal to an applicant who has received a consumer rebate through the Clean Vehicle Rebate Project (CVRP), nor can an applicant participate in both the CAV Decal Program and the CVRP unless income restrictions are met."

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/vr/decal

What are the income restrictions??

 

[dailo]

You can find the income caps here. I'm not sure why they put that there, since you can't qualify for CVRP if you're above the income cap anyways.

Income Eligibility

 

[omgwtfbyobbq]

I think you can get a CAV decal first and then get the CVRP rebate, since nothing in the CVRP rogram excludes it, unless you're above the income limits of course. My guess is they're not letting people get them concurrently to avoid flipping.

 

[MP3Mike]

I wonder if they are trying to say that only the "lower-income" purchasers can take advantage of both programs. (Lower-income consumers have household incomes less than 300% of the federal poverty level.)

 

[Haxster]

The income answer is in Section 3. But read the WHOLE paragraph:

www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/a2d67782-6ef5-48e5-aa04-12f472ef97b4/reg1000.pdf?MOD=AJPERES

If you don't qualify for both the decal AND the rebate, maybe you should consider buying an MS or MX

 

[Jeffgtx]

It’s one of the poorest worded sentences on the Internet. The second clause negates the point if the first.

 

[McRat]

Here is the EXACT legal wording of California Vehicle Code effective 1 JAN 2018:
CVC 5205.5>

(b) (1) The department shall not issue a decal, label, or other identifier to an applicant who has received a consumer rebate pursuant to the Clean Vehicle Rebate Project, established as part of the Air Quality Improvement Program pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 44274) of Chapter 8.9 of Part 5 of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code, for a vehicle purchased on or after January 1, 2018, unless the rebate was issued to a buyer whose gross annual income falls below one hundred fifty thousand dollars ($150,000) for a person who files a tax return as a single person, two hundred four thousand dollars ($204,000) for a person who files a tax return as a head of household, and three hundred thousand dollars ($300,000) for a person who files a joint tax return.

 

[FlatSix911]

You can find the income caps here. I'm not sure why they put that there, since you can't qualify for CVRP if you're above the income cap anyways.

Income Eligibility

Ridiculous limits for the Bay Area ...
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[FlatSix911]

I wonder if they are trying to say that only the "lower-income" purchasers can take advantage of both programs. (Lower-income consumers have household incomes less than 300% of the federal poverty level.)

Low income buyers can take advantage of both programs ... along with a $2,000 bonus for the rebate
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[insaneoctane]

Low income buyers can take advantage of both programs ... along with a $2,000 bonus for the rebate
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I suspect someone with less than 3x federal poverty is NOT buying a Tesla.....

 

[MP3Mike]

I suspect someone with less than 3x federal poverty is NOT buying a Tesla.....

Very possible if you are retired and living off of savings.

 

[gregincal]

I have never figured out the point of the section. Higher income people can’t take advantage of both programs because they are not eligible for the CVRP rebate. Basically if you are below the income cap you can get both, if you are above you have to choose between the sticker or the program you are ineligible for. What?

 

[MP3Mike]

I have never figured out the point of the section. Higher income people can’t take advantage of both programs because they are not eligible for the CVRP rebate. Basically if you are below the income cap you can get both, if you are above you have to choose between the sticker or the program you are ineligible for. What?

The only thing I can guess is that they are saying that if you have received a CVRP rebate in the past, even on a different vehicle, and you no longer qualify for the current CVRP rebate program then you can't get the carpool sticker either for a car purchased after 1/1/18.

 

[gregincal]

The only thing I can guess is that they are saying that if you have received a CVRP rebate in the past, even on a different vehicle, and you no longer qualify for the current CVRP rebate program then you can't get the carpool sticker either for a car purchased after 1/1/18.

Nope, the law says that rebates before 2018 don’t count.

Basically what it seems to say is that if you obtained a rebate fraudulently you aren’t eligible for the sticker program.

 

[FlatSix911]

All that you wanted to know ... but were afraid to ask
CA HOV White sticker

 

[omgwtfbyobbq]

Nope, the law says that rebates before 2018 don’t count.

Basically what it seems to say is that if you obtained a rebate fraudulently you aren’t eligible for the sticker program.

Exactly! This change in the CVC may even allow the DMV to take stickers away from owners who get a CVRP rebate when they're above the program income limits.

 

[Glamisduner]

Sounds like you have to get the sticker before you get your rebate? And you cannot have both if you make 150k, 204k or 300k depending on how you filed your taxes?

 

[CuriousG]

Very possible if you are retired and living off of savings.

And possibly making it a very expensive golf cart.

 

[McRat]

It’s one of the poorest worded sentences on the Internet. The second clause negates the point if the first.

And it will get far worse before it gets better. I've communicated a lot with government entities, and they tend to be below average at their job description.

There was a time when civil service did not pay well, so there was no big push for politicians and union management to bump their unqualified kids there. And the growth of affirmative action programs which allow the lowering of hiring standards, as well the great difficultly in firing a civil service union worker because they are incompetent means the cream of crop sinks to the bottom.

So today we have perhaps the lowest quality civil service workers in history. Why do you think it takes so long to do things, and why they screw them up so bad? There is no quality control for their human resources. Those who are excellent at their job take second rung to those with political reasons for promotion, so the cream stopped rising to the top.

In California in particular, I doubt most the civil service workers could hack working 1 month at a fast food restaurant or successfully complete a paper route, mow a lawn correctly, or any other unskilled jobs that only require the right attitude to complete successfully.

 

[comanchepilot]

Is this 'Gross Income', is it 'Taxable income' [not likely] is it "Adjusted Gross Income' or is it 'California Adjusted Gross Income?"

Very likely 4 different numbers there -