People earning loads of money don’t need the government aka taxpayer aka me to subsidize fancy cars. Personally I prefer programs that are based on both income and price caps.
T34ME
Active Member
Let's look at it from a more realistic perspective. If that fancy car is an EV that reduces pollution and improves air quality, and if that fancy car is so expensive because of new EV technologies so that only people who earn lots of money can afford it, and if because of those factors if it saves the taxpayer, you and me, money through reduced health care costs, reduced costs to clean up filthy air, and provides a legacy of protecting our environment for your offspring, then the taxpayer DOES need to subsidize those fancy EV cars. As EV adoption becomes commonplace (which it will) then would be the time to revisit those subsidies and adjust them appropriately. What we don't need is the current system whereby the taxpayer, you and me, is subsidizing the oil industry and ICE vehicles but it is subtly hidden in tax bills and annual budgets rather than a more visible Federal tax credit or State rebate.
McManX
Member
Can someone clarify?
Two years ago, I got the CA rebate and the stickers on my model X. If I am over the income limit, can I get stickers (not the rebate) on a new car?
Two years ago, I got the CA rebate and the stickers on my model X. If I am over the income limit, can I get stickers (not the rebate) on a new car?
No. My taxes don’t need to subsidize people buying cars with giant superfluous touchscreens, leather-ish seats, oversized sunroofs, fancy rims, drag race 0-60 times, etc. Incentives should be reserved for people who’s decision tipping point is impacted by the triangulation of need, price and income.
The way I read it, yes. You still should get the Utility Discount which is $450 for SCE. IDK about PGnE.
WileyTheMan
Peanut Gallery Member
More to the point (which is where the lawmakers are probably coming from), higher-income families are less likely to decline the purchase of an EV because of price than a "lower-income" family, so CA provides an additional incentive just for them to encourage the purchase. Higher-income families still get the HOV sticker as a benefit.
I'm ok with this, even if it means I don't get the tax credit.
Your taxes most likely aren't. Just the sales tax on a $100k car can be $10,250 plus DMV fees and valuation-based DMV annual registration.
People who make 'too much money' are taxed at a far higher rate. $2500 might make the difference between an EV and ICE for them depending on their transportation budget.
"Do I get my teen an EV or an ICE? The insurance is going to be brutal",
Yes, and I posted the exact law about the stickers. Do you want me to post the exact law about CVRP? Nobody is confused about that, just the stickers.
WileyTheMan
Peanut Gallery Member
Yes, PG&E offers a $500 rebate for a new EV. They don't specify per family or anything.
Sorry, I'm just not understanding why bringing something totally unrelated to the thread is necessary (and confuse people about the CVRP vs utility rebates).
To clarify for others, the utility rebates are ENTIRELY separate from either the sticker program or CVRP rebates.
But few people know the utility rebates even exist since they recently came into play in CA.
McManX
Member
Thank you, hopefully you are correct. This is also how I read it as well.
I am actually with PGE and have done their rebate before; can't remember how it works so nobody should ask me.
McManX
Member
comanchepilot
Member
comanchepilot
Member
Agree two different numbers, but only one does not have adjustments already applied.
I just noticed https://arb.ca.gov/msprog/carpool/carpool.htm was updated recently (Jan 30, 2018) which has a pointer to California’s Clean Air Decals | California Air Resources Board with some FAQs.
