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Blog Cadillac Introduces Luxury Electric SUV

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by TMC Staff, Aug 7, 2020.

  1. T3SLAROD

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    Google is your friend.....just type in anything Tesla Delays....

    Point is, the argument of delays should be last last thing anyone should be concerned about given Tesla’s history.

    Tesla's Musk delays release of Roadster sports car, repeats coronavirus lockdown criticism

    $35,000 Tesla Model 3 deliveries still delayed

    We are headed for the 1 year mark of the unveiling of the Cybertruck. The factory location just broke ground, so maybe I was wrong 3 years not half a decade, so again, 2 years for Caddy is not bad.
     
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  2. SageBrush

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    You said CT delayed to 2025.

    Back up your claim
     
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  3. T3SLAROD

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    I can’t back it up. You win. The CT will be here in less than 1 year :rolleyes:
     
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  4. Saghost

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    Congress killed the jet powered Chrysler, so that’s hardly the company’s fault.

    Chrysler turbine engines - Wikipedia
     
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    I am trying to understand the significant of 150kwh vs 250kwh here for my educational purposes. Are we really going to get 250kwh charge from start to finish even on a V3 Supercharger? Even if we get the full 250kwh charge from start to finish we probably save 12 minutes on a 100kw battery (from 10% to 90%).
     
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    Might as well throw in my 2 cents. I expect the Cadillac will have a market, perhaps a decent sized one. This car will appeal to those people (some of whom are on this forum) for whom having all of the deluxe trim and interior features one sees on ICE luxury cars is the most important thing. They will not be interested in the Spartan interior of a Tesla, but want tight panel gaps and something that looks expensive. Those people will go for the Cadillac, or the BMW, or the Mercedes-Benz over Tesla. Good to have an option for them. The problem for this Cadillac is not that it competes with Tesla, but that it competes with ICE luxury cars. The customer for this car is someone who wants a luxe vehicle that also has an electric drive, but they will be willing to get an ICE car if the deal or product looks better. The customer for Tesla is someone who wants the best technology, hardware and software, with a car built around it. Tesla lovers are not going to even look at an ICE car with interest.

    I expect that competition in the EV market will lead to convergence of these two customer groups eventually, and that Cadillac and others will improve their tech, while Tesla will improve its luxury and manufacturing. I expect that not to happen soon though. Until then there will be two different markets, each of which will grow. Cadillac and others will bring customers to EVs that would not consider a Tesla. Good for everyone.
     
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  7. SageBrush

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    A win would be less BS
     
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    And to think they saw all these benefits in the mid 19th century, but never considered the battery really.

    "The benefits... overall parts reduction of approximately 80%, tune ups eliminated, starting difficulties eliminated and no warm up needed, antifreeze not required, interior heat is available instantly in winter, no engine stalling with sudden overload, engine operates without vibration, oil consumption is negligible, exhaust gases are cool and less pollutant..."
     
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    Exactly. More competition is good for us, the consumers. Can you imagine Apple without Android? I have never used an Android phone but I don't want Android to go away.
     
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  10. T3SLAROD

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    Agreed. I am looking forward to Tesla one day partnering with one of the Traditional ICE Manufacturers and bringing us the best of both worlds. Tesla has the battery, powertrain, charging network on lock and access to those would benefit these guys greatly.
     
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    NOT kWh. kW

    The significance is simple. You can cut the charging time to almost half.
    You can have the car waiting for you rather than waiting for the car.
     
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    I don't have % handy, but many people that normally went for BMW or Mercedes have switched over to Tesla (past tense, stole the sales away). So not a valid argument to support the claim of a "decent" market for Cadi. They all sold luxury.

    Agreed.
     
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    No argument there. But how much time are we talking about here on a 100kw Tesla from 10% to 90%? And how often do we get to a V3 Supercharger? Don't get me wrong here I will take a 250kw any day vs 100kw but just trying to understand whether that's a deal breaker or not.
     
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    Yes, they certainly have, and I suspect previous owners of those brands may make up the largest and most vocal of Tesla fans. I expect that some of the Tesla buyers will go back to other brands because of preferring what they offer over what Tesla offers. There are numerous postings of people saying they are in that group. However, there probably Is a larger group of folks who still drive those luxury brands who would not buy a Tesla, but would go to an EV from Cadillac or BMW etc. They are the bulk of the market for this new Cadillac.
     
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    I have a 2020 P3D. Not at all my experience. I have some minor grievances - should have Sirius XM, should have Chamberlain garage door connectivity, but other than that, naw. Sorry for your bad luck
     
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    #37 SageBrush, Aug 7, 2020
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    The Prima Donnas that buy a Cadillac do not ask how much time they have to wait; they complain that they have to wait. Period
     
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    The irony is that 150 Kw is sufficient (for me anyway). So I think the numbers game is just a response to range fear (an unknown for most bc that's how it was bashed for years in the media). I'm pretty sure most BEV owner would rather have two 150kw chargers in separate locations vs a single 250 kw charger. The bigger challenge is coverage, and COST. They could tap into Tesla's charging network as offered through open patents, but they'd lose a potential energy revenue stream possibly needed to subsidize the EV migration. Someone did take Tesla up on that offer just recently, I forget who it was off hand.
     
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    I see the Caddy as a competitor to the MS, not the Y. And the MS gets 402 miles and Caddy just says >300? I agree with another poster here.... Caddy is 5 years (or more??) behind and in two years when released it'll be 7 years behind. An honest question: When did the first 300 mile Model S come out? 2016? So the 2023 Caddy will have the same range as a 2016 Model S.
     
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  20. SOULPEDL

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    You're saying this other group of Tesla owners is ready to switch back to legacy BEV?
    Every Tesla owner I've met hates legacy, steers clear of any company that uses gas in their lineup and just lip service so far.
     

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