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Blog California Becomes First State Mandate Solar on New Homes

Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by TMC Staff, May 10, 2018.

  1. SageBrush

    SageBrush 2018: Drain the Sewer

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    Actually, the only part of the law that gives me the shivers* is that utilities will be compensated for the reduction in demand to keep them whole.

    *That was from an article about the law. I sure hope it is wrong.
     
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    Although I hope Tesla will.....I just believe Tesla's system is just too expensive with very little return.

    It will take a lifetime to bet your value of a Tesla Solar tiled roof for sure.....especially since every tile isn't a solar cell. I don't understand that for the life of me. The solar tiled roof is 1 out of ever 3 or 4 is a real solar tile. Why not every one of them? I just don't get it.

    HEY FOLKS.......I don't think I can shout it enough.....get your interconnection agreements NOW. Interconnection agreements with power companies last about 20 years. Get them before the power companies are able to change them.
     
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    I'm' not sure what law you are referring. to. We don't have such a law here in Illinois.
     
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    This entire Blog/Thread is in reference to a new California law mandating zero net energy for homes built starting in 2020. It has nothing to do with Illinois.
     
  5. EinSV

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    It is bizarrely rational, thoughtful and sensible. Clearly out of step with the times.:p
     
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  6. SageBrush

    SageBrush 2018: Drain the Sewer

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    So true.

    California realizes that an efficient, clean energy transition is the best thing they can do for their economy:
    Local work
    Domestic manufacturing for a dominant part of the supply chain
    Massive reduction in externalized costs
    Massive reduction in money export for energy

    My wife asked me this morning why CA leads in so many ways, implying they are somehow smarter than the rest of the country. I don't think that is the case, but more that they are not so politically reactionary and bought by special interests. It is just too bad that the Repukes were able to torpedo the nascent PV industry in the US. It would have been nice to have that manufacturing base.
     
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  7. EV-lutioin

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    You (and I) are from Chico, so we are accustomed to big trees in the town core, but keep in mind that most of California is relatively treeless.
     
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    #28 Blup85, May 10, 2018
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    Thanks, I realized after I was body checked by a couple folks here that I was wrong for jumping off the cliff with fear of government over reach. The cliff note document i read made it sound absolute. Don't hang me just yet. I was in a mood.
     
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    Batteries will work fine for day to day variations but not for longer term ones. My Solar puts out 8 times more kwh during the summer than the winter.
     
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  10. SageBrush

    SageBrush 2018: Drain the Sewer

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    #30 SageBrush, May 10, 2018
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    My PV summer to winter production ratio is about 6:5
     
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    Wow, that's great mine is about 8 to 1. My best month in summer averages just over 58Kwh and my worst month in winter averages around 7. The worst ever average for a month was 6.24. My best daily output has been 63 the worst daily output has been 1.3 kwh.
     
  13. mspohr

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    My best month in the summer is about 1300 kWh.
    Worst month in winter is about 450 kWh.
    ~ 3:1
    Don't know why others in Ca have such a wide variation. I live in the mountains with lots of snow in the winter as well as days of storms whereas summer is mostly clear and sunny with few storms and still I get good winter production.
     
  14. SageBrush

    SageBrush 2018: Drain the Sewer

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    #34 SageBrush, May 14, 2018
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    Part of the result was my choice to install the panels at 45 degrees. I think it cost me ~ 5 - 10% of my possible maximum if I had optimized to my latitude but I wanted to even out production throughout the year. The ratio I reported is not maximum:minimum, it is summer:winter

    It also helps to be in Colorado, the land of cold and (relatively) sunny winters.
     
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    My numbers were daily averages for the month. I have 48 panels, in banks of 12. 12 face south the others are facing east and west. I also have some shading from trees. Yearly output is just over 11,000 Kwh.
     

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