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I look at this as a good thing.
The intolerant people who can't stand the diversity, social justice and work ethic of California are leaving. This has two benefits. It improves the cultural environment and average intelligence of California by getting rid of misfits. These people also improve the average intelligence of the places they move to since those are generally below average.
Win-win!

The irony of that is amazing. :D

California is under the national average in SAT testing now. And we are one of more 'diverse' states. My family is no exception.

While we claim to have gender parity in wages, we really don't. My daughter's MBA was worth 1/3rd more in Utah than California, even though Utah has a far higher average educational level (California is #36 and Utah is #11) and almost a 200pt SAT advantage over us.
 
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Sometimes, not always, I consider WSJ as the Seeking Alpha equivalent of the economic news media with some narrow minded conservative journalists with an agenda of propaganda. The WSJ could have also called Alabama the Iran of the United States. Obviously, neither statement is true but it does make for perpetuating stereotypes.

This was the old WSJ back in the early 90s. As the right became more radical, first the editorial section of the WSJ became more conservative, and now that Murdoch owns it, it's Fox News Light.

I haven't read the WSJ, except the occasional article online, in years, but my father has read it every day since before I was born. He's always been a Republican, but he was an Eisenhower Republican when I was growing up. He not impressed by the John Birch Society and even William F Buckley. Over the last couple of decades he's been sounding more and more like the extreme right, though Trump was too much for him. He admitted to me in the summer of 2016 he was thinking of voting for a Democrat for president for the first time since he started voting in 1944. His conversion from moderate to more extreme mirrored the shift in the WSJ.

Ah, Portland OR, I have a love/hate relationship with the place. We have three close cousins who live there and visit periodically. Beautiful area when it is sunny which isn't often. Most people have a pasty complexion. Solar power is not as effective in Portland. Cold/wet climate plays hell with my lumbago. No sales tax but property and income tax are relatively high (but not as high as California) and real estate is expensive. And the place feels isolated to me. Flight connections are a real hassle. But Portland does have Pink Martini which is one of my favs and will be on my model 3 playlist. And I find the people are not as friendly as Californicans. To repeat from another thread, I think the Ducks SUCK and I hate Tillamook cheese. As far as wine, preference is highly personal. I am not a fan of relatively "heavy" wines like Pinot, Merlot, and Cabernet except with "heavy" foods like red meat and dark chocolate which I rarely consume. They are not good for sipping "au natural." The best value in wine is "Three Buck Chuck" from Trader Joe's which are mostly blended varietals from California (my deceased father was in the Central Valley California wine business).

We live on the Washington side of the Columbia. We have sales tax, but no income tax. I've found people here are more friendly than anywhere I lived in California. It being a smaller metro area than LA, San Diego, the Bay Area, or Seattle, there are fewer destinations reachable from PDX than airports in those other cities.

I don't follow sports much, especially college sports. Ducks, Beavers, Cougars, or Huskies, meh? My SO's law partner is an ex-hockey player. He got an NCAA scholarship to play for North Dakota at age 14. He was a big kid and it paid for his bachelor's, he decided to do something else when he injured his knee. He's a rabid fan of Portland's minor league hockey team and we follow the team some with him. That's about the only sport I follow much.

Solar is not as potent here. Part of it is the latitude, solar energy gets weaker the closer you get to a pole, but the winters can be overcast a fair bit. With cheap hydro even wind farms are ordered to shut down sometimes when the snow melt fed power is overly abundant. We pay $0.08/KWH for electricity. Where Bonnie lives it's even cheaper.

I'm still thinking about solar though. We have about the best possible exposure for solar in the area. Our house is rectangular with a big slab of roof pointing SW. We have a lot of windows on that side of the house and when it's sunny in the winter we don't run the heat. We had to put in an extra large A/C for summer. To get my office down to 80F in the summer we had to run the house A/C so much we had to wear sweaters downstairs. The old A/C burned out from the load. We now have zoned A/C that works much better and a much larger compressor for really hot days (it does get over 100F here, though only for a few days a year usually).

As for pinot noir, it's one of the lightest reds you can get. My SO hates wines that are too "cabby" and pinot is her favorite. She has found most California pinots to be too cabby, though Trader Joe's had a really good, and cheap pinot from California for a while. The Oregon pinots tend to be lighter than CA pinots.

My highly skilled handymen are undocumented Hispanics who I pay $30 per hour. My barber is Viet Namese. My primary care doctor is Indian. My mechanic is Muslim. My father's care giver was Filipina. My best friends are Canuckistanis. Yes, if you don't want to mix with large numbers of the unwashed masses from abroad, the kind of people like our ancestors who originally made America Great for themselves and their progeny (but not so much for First Nation people), then some other place that is less cosmopolitan may be best for you. Portland, a beautiful great place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.

I grew up in Monterey Park two block from East LA City College. By the time I graduated high school it had the largest percentage Asian population in the US and Hispanics were very common too. I never went to a school that was more than 15% white until college. For some reason there were a lot of Armenians around too. About half the non-Asian, non-Hispanic kids I knew were Armenian.

Portland is more white than anywhere I've lived, but it is generally open minded about ethnic minorities and while racists exist everywhere, they aren't very prominent around here. From my background, I never grokked racism. I grew up in such a polyglot culture that I just see people with different skin tones, hair color, and possibly cultural artifacts like foods and family traditions. Nothing is inherently superior to anything else. Some cultures are better equipped for the modern world, but people can also change if they have the opportunity and incentive.

I look at this as a good thing.
The intolerant people who can't stand the diversity, social justice and work ethic of California are leaving. This has two benefits. It improves the cultural environment and average intelligence of California by getting rid of misfits. These people also improve the average intelligence of the places they move to since those are generally below average.
Win-win!

The migration probably has some element of this, but economics is also probably driving it. One of the moderators here recommended a book called American Nations to me a year or so back. It looks at the history and values of the different cultures that make up North America. California has a couple of different cultures, but the "Left Coast" culture dominates. The same culture dominates Washington and Oregon too, even though those states have the "Far West" culture in the east.

In that book he pointed out that mobility and better awareness of the different cultures is causing people to voluntarily migrate to cultures that fit their own biases. I had a friend who grew up in Texas and Alabama, but hated the culture there. Her father was from Oregon and loved the South. She moved here and is much happier, but her father is still in Alabama.

You can also see it in the Congressional districts around the country. Over the last 30 years fewer and fewer Congressional districts are competitive. Gerrymandering is blamed for it, and that is a factor in some states, but California became more Democratically dominated when it adopted Washington's congressional mapping system which is non-partisan.

And...... Washington (Seattle) just shot themselves in the foot by enacting a $275/year/ employee tax on large employers (over 20 mil gross) IIRC to take care of their homeless population. Why would they enact a socialist tax that punishes the largest employers that give the city the prosperity that it has? If I was setting up a company with any large billings I sure would not choose Seattle!

Amazon and Starbucks employ ~ 60,000 people there. Whats keeping them from moving elsewhere that is not so regressive??

Washington has had a contentious relationship with Boeing for 40+ years. Boeing is stuck in the Puget Sound region, it would cost too much to move their facilities out and Washington knows it. They did move their corporate HQ to Chicago in part because the CEO was from there and wanted to move home, but also a poke in the eye to the state.

The other big employers in the Seattle area: Costco, Amazon, Starbucks, and Microsoft tend to be socially pretty liberal, especially the last two. Microsoft offered same sex partner benefits to its employees long before it was a trend. When I did a stint at Microsoft the number of rainbow bumper stickers I saw in the parking garage was pushing 50%.

To companies that run lean like Amazon, a tax like that will probably affect them. Boeing is so staggeringly inefficient they will complain about the tax, but it really won't affect them. When I was working at Boeing, I heard Boeing was the largest consumer of office supplies in the state by a huge margin. And even though the office spaces could be spartan, they still were spending something like $120 an hour per office worker in 1990. I know I wasn't seeing most of that. I, along with the other engineers, were paid well under market rate. When they started laying off people one engineer who was from Eastern Washington started looking around back home and landed a gig with Reynold Aluminum and got a 50% pay hike. He was over the moon.
 
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Hey @RubberToe, I just noticed a crazy statistic.

8 out of the top 10 companies on LinkedIn's list of the top companies professionals want to work for are based in California.

And one of the other 2 (Comcast/NBC Universal) has a significant presence in California.

The other company (Amazon) is based in Seattle.

While California is far from perfect, apparently we are doing something right.

1. Amazon

2. Alphabet

3. Facebook

4. Salesforce

5. Tesla

6. Apple

7. Comcast NBCUniversal

8. The Walt Disney Company

9. Oracle

10. Netflix

LinkedIn's top companies of 2018 include Amazon, Facebook and Tesla
LinkedIn Top Companies 2018: Where the U.S. wants to work now
 
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8 out of the top 10 companies on LinkedIn's list of the top companies professionals want to work for are based in California.

And one of the other 2 (Comcast/NBC Universal) has a significant presence in California.

The other company (Amazon) is based in Seattle.
I remember years ago when Amazon was not profitable as a start up. Analysts kept saying it was on the verge of bankruptcy, would NEVER make it. I think it took Amazon something like 15 years to show a profit, and look at the stock price today! How long has Tesla been publicly traded? :rolleyes:
 
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U-Hual truck rentel rates says it all, California middle class outbound demand is so large they are charging 10X more for a 26' truck for people leaving Cali then a family moving in.

From San Francisco to Las Vegas its $2100, the opposite rental is only $130.
From Los Angeles to Phoenix a truck rental cost $1600, but the opposite only costs $130.
From San Diego to San Antonio its $3500 but the opposite is $800.
San Fran to Seattle Wa. costs $3400, the opposite is $650.

I am going to get a job driving all these rigs back to CA.
 
Tesla contributed ‘more than $5 billion’ to California’s economy and supported over 51,000 jobs last year, says report
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A new IHS Markit study about Tesla’s economic contribution in California shows that the automaker contributed more than $5 billion to the state’s economy and supported over 51,000 jobs last year. The new report, which was commissioned by the California-based automaker, comes at an interesting time.

In this report, Tesla is trying to highlight what they are actually contributing to the economy and directly to the government – more specifically in California, where it has most of its operations through its headquarters and the Fremont factory. IHS Markit found that the company also employs many suppliers in the state. It accounted for $2.0 billion in transactions with over 2,650 California suppliers in 2017 alone.
 
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Amazon and Starbucks employ ~ 60,000 people there. Whats keeping them from moving elsewhere that is not so regressive??
Answer: A well educated workforce.

You are confused about the definition of regressive taxes. To over-simplify for discussion purposes: Regressive taxes tax the poor more than the wealthy for the same goods and services. Progressive taxes tax the wealthy more than the poor. Seattle is demonstrating a progressive tax structure with regards to dealing with the homeless issue. However, Washington's lack of an income tax is considered regressive. Income taxes and property taxes are considered progressive taxes, while sales taxes are considered regressive taxes (lack of any one of these taxes is considered the opposite).

What is your solution for the homeless? Throw them to the wolves, benign neglect, euthanasia? Virtually all of the homeless are mentally ill, mentally incompetent, and/or drug-alcohol addicted. What is the Christian thing to do? Volunteer at a homeless shelter sometime and see what I mean. Saint Reagan cut all Federal funding for the less fortunate in our society and threw the responsibility to the States during his administration. Those in mental institutions were thrown out to cope as best they could. Reagan used the funds to increase military spending while cutting Federal income taxes across the board. Some States (California for example) have tried to step in with higher State taxes to provide social services for those less fortunate among us. If I can afford a Tesla, I can afford a $275 tax a year for the homeless.
 
Answer: A well educated workforce.

You are confused about the definition of regressive taxes. To over-simplify for discussion purposes: Regressive taxes tax the poor more than the wealthy for the same goods and services. Progressive taxes tax the wealthy more than the poor. Seattle is demonstrating a progressive tax structure with regards to dealing with the homeless issue. However, Washington's lack of an income tax is considered regressive. Income taxes and property taxes are considered progressive taxes, while sales taxes are considered regressive taxes (lack of any one of these taxes is considered the opposite).

What is your solution for the homeless? Throw them to the wolves, benign neglect, euthanasia? Virtually all of the homeless are mentally ill, mentally incompetent, and/or drug-alcohol addicted. What is the Christian thing to do? Volunteer at a homeless shelter sometime and see what I mean. Saint Reagan cut all Federal funding for the less fortunate in our society and threw the responsibility to the States during his administration. Those in mental institutions were thrown out to cope as best they could. Reagan used the funds to increase military spending while cutting Federal income taxes across the board. Some States (California for example) have tried to step in with higher State taxes to provide social services for those less fortunate among us. If I can afford a Tesla, I can afford a $275 tax a year for the homeless.

Historically a lot of homeless have been mentally ill. Ronald Reagan closed the federal mental hospitals putting a lot of people who were not mentally up to keeping a roof over their head out on the street with no other options. Drug use can put people on the street too. However the new face of homelessness are people who don't have any serious mental illness or drug problem. The economy just squeezed them to a point where they could no longer keep a roof over their head. It was really bad at the peak of the financial crisis at the end of last decade.

There are still people from the first two categories on the street too. Go to Pioneer Square in Seattle. It's been a while since I've been there, but every time I've been there people would be sitting on benches arguing with the air.
 
Historically a lot of homeless have been mentally ill. Ronald Reagan closed the federal mental hospitals putting a lot of people who were not mentally up to keeping a roof over their head out on the street with no other options. Drug use can put people on the street too. However the new face of homelessness are people who don't have any serious mental illness or drug problem. The economy just squeezed them to a point where they could no longer keep a roof over their head. It was really bad at the peak of the financial crisis at the end of last decade.

There are still people from the first two categories on the street too. Go to Pioneer Square in Seattle. It's been a while since I've been there, but every time I've been there people would be sitting on benches arguing with the air.

It is a myth that Reagan was President when deinstitutionalization began and that is was a light switch that was turned on.

Asylums were publicly popular until 1945. But prior to 1930 we nearly took the road down eugenics (Master Race Tech) with initiatives to murder the insane and physically handicapped for racial purity. We only got as far as sterilization, which stopped in the 1980's with the last group being the Native Americans. Hitler was impressed with the works the American doctors were writing, and used the US system carried to the extreme. First sterilization, then mercy killing, then genetic cleansing. The US almost went down that road. Thank God for the courts.

Public outcry in the US occurred after WWII when the media was once again allowed to discuss negative public issues in the US. During WWII the problem peaked due to the war effort, and we were not going to give the public ammunition to use against the government. Unhappy peasants have ended more wars than atom bombs. Heck, we wouldn't even let the peasants know the President was a sick old white supremacist and momma's-boy stuck in a wheelchair who wiped his arse with the Constitution and humiliated his wife on a routine basis by rubbing his adultery in her face. She was more intelligent than her husband so he felt a need to be around dumb broads to soothe his ego. A sick puppy indeed, but not insane, just sociopathic and narcissistic. Wealth kept him from being institutionalized due to his handicap. He had a lot to do with suppressing the institutionalization problems in the media.

Then the war ended, and the press had a field day. Guess who was called up to staff the asylums during the war? Who else? The Army. Those not suited for combat, or rich folk who didn't want their kids dead, had them work jobs in the US. No such luck for the lower middle class asylum employees, who were drafted away. So all these 'outsiders', many whom were surrounded by wealth and privilege, came out of the woodworks to testify about treatment of humans that was worse than how black servants were allowed to be treated.

The first President to formally steer in the DI direction was JFK due to guilt over his dad lobotomizing his sister. The goal was to transition from the system of large scale insane asylums which were appalling by anyone's standards, and replace it with medical treatment, medication, out-patient support, and half-way houses. It was a movement to decriminalize mental illness. Essentially, to be declared insane was worse than murdering somebody. Society locked you up and then treated you worse than the laws for stray dogs would permit today. In the end, it was the courts that forced the issue. But it began because we were treating humans inhumanly. We have a tradition of doing that, it's in our DNA.

We have always had homelessness. But I can tell you it spiked in the last 2 years. Like I had said, literally miles of homeless encampments in Orange County, California. We even had a homeless man set up camp behind my laboratory earlier this year. I left him be until he started lighting a cooking fire. It wasn't the first time I've had homeless people living with me, I went through a phase where I tried to rescue them after a neighbor ended up homeless due to alcoholism and mental illness and saw that she was lucid when on her medications, and unstable without them. Middle-lower class homeowner with treatment, or an alcoholic living on the streets, was just a prescription away. My lesson was like that of drug addiction. Unless they truly want help at any cost and have surrendered, you can only improve their lives for a few months at best.
 
California is now below the 50% mark in poverty. That is, we have a higher % of poor people in California than the US average. And it's getting worse. But that does not take into account our housing costs. Thus our homeless issues.

I agree with this. I have relatives in CA who want to relocate to east coast but they're having a hard time finding a better job.
 
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Michael Schutzler, who runs the Washington Technology Industry Association, says tech is the “perfect piñata for progressives.” He blames Seattle for letting the homeless problem fester and says the tax will discourage hiring. Cities cannot simply tax away their problems, he says.
Seattle is a canary in a coal mine so to speak. Anti-capitalism, anti-growth, anti-anything—progressives can't stand the fact that there’s been so much progress.”
 
Michael Schutzler, who runs the Washington Technology Industry Association, says tech is the “perfect piñata for progressives.” He blames Seattle for letting the homeless problem fester and says the tax will discourage hiring. Cities cannot simply tax away their problems, he says.
Seattle is a canary in a coal mine so to speak. Anti-capitalism, anti-growth, anti-anything—progressives can't stand the fact that there’s been so much progress.”
He blames Seattle for letting the homeless problem fester then blames Seattle when they try to do something about it. Perhaps he would prefer a different solution like putting them in jail... Always lots of money for jails.
 
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Some people seem to think the only solution to every problem is to punish and anything that tries to help someone in any other way is a waste of money or just flat out wrong. It isn't just a conservative/liberal thing either.