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You are missing the much higher efficiency of electric vehicles. The model S gets 90-100 mpge. That is much better than any ICE. So the cost of fuel per mile is much less for EV than for ICE.I noticed something tonight. The EPA mpge gallon of gas equivalent is 33.7 kwhr. Tesla's 2017 supercharging price in California is $0.20 / kwhr. That makes a "gallon of gas" $6.74 at Tesla's "pumps." What am I missing here?
I noticed something tonight. The EPA mpge gallon of gas equivalent is 33.7 kwhr. Tesla's 2017 supercharging price in California is $0.20 / kwhr. That makes a "gallon of gas" $6.74 at Tesla's "pumps." What am I missing here?
Pretty sure your EPA mpge is wrong. That'd mean well over 100 miles per gallon...
Pretty sure your EPA mpge is wrong. That'd mean well over 100 miles per gallon...
You are missing the much higher efficiency of electric vehicles. The model S gets 90-100 mpge. That is much better than any ICE. So the cost of fuel per mile is much less for EV than for ICE.
0.20 = 1KWh = 3.33 miles @300 wh / mile = 6 cents per mile.
My Prius:
50 MPG @ $2.74 gallon = 5.48 cents per mile. Don't get me wrong. I like driving the Tesla more, but if I had to pay california supercharger rates, it would be more costly than driving my prius even after you factor in oil changes.
Tesla has a monopoly on "gas stations" - and their California pricing out-the-gate is more than double the price of actual gas - reducing the financial gain of the efficiency to the end user by 50%.
Coal burning electricity plants put more radioactive uranium, thorium, etc. in the air than there is unrecycled nuclear fuel from nuclear power plants, and that's only one of the many horrible types of pollution coal plants put out. Coal Ash Is More Radioactive Than Nuclear Waste. According to that, it's less than 1% of background radiation, so nearly meaningless.I'm all about a clean environment but to exaggerate that coal plants in the Midwest are pumping soot into anyone's lungs is a little much. These places have been so heavily hit with regulations that there is no soot hitting your lungs. Granted they still cause some pollution but no where to this extreme. They spend millions a yr on scrubbers and other technology to burn very efficient
Tesla is passing through it's electricity costs to the consumer, as it should be.@MarcusMaximus - true, but my point is about the pricing of the energy equivalent. Tesla has a monopoly on "gas stations" - and their California pricing out-the-gate is more than double the price of actual gas - reducing the financial gain of the efficiency to the end user by 50%. mpge is only a useful metric to the paying end user if electric fuel can obtained at equivalent prices as gasoline.
I paid $5k last month for my array, and it covers my home in addition to our cars. It is paid off in about 3 years in electricity and petrol savings and then it's generation is free for the rest of its lifetimeThats true only if you factor in another 20k for a solar array.
Financialy, EVs don't really make sense unless you make your own energy (unless your electric rates are sub .10c/kw)
My leveled cost of electricity is .02c/ kw with my solar, but I did it myself.
I think it's kind of a crock the Tesla still boasts that an ev reduces net cost of ownership due to no gas to new buyers. Thats true only if you factor in another 20k for a solar array.
I paid $5k last month for my array, and it covers my home in addition to our cars. It is paid off in about 3 years in electricity and petrol savings and then it's generation is free for the rest of its lifetime