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Thanks, exactly what I was looking for! Perhaps my manual is old. Is that on the Towing a Trailer section or the dimensions and weights section?
Swazi, did you go to Get-Away RV in Abbotsford B.C. to see an Alto? That is the Safari Condo dealer I ordered my Alto through.We drove up to Canada to see the Alto. Nice but its NOT weatherized
Those trailers are certainly very compact. The T@B400 appears to have an exterior kitchen, so I'll pass on that model. The T@B Outback has the kitchen inside but the dining area and sleeping area are the same, not separate like the Alto, and it's quite a bit heavier.Check out the T@B Outback and launching this week the T@B 400... and nüCamp’s T@B 400 debuts to rave reviews
The Base Camp was offered for a while back in '07/'08 I believe, but discontinued and re-released this year with the tapered roof. The Nest is the newest addition (by Airstream's purchase) and probably won't be seen until late next year. Just in time for the Model 3, I might add...Also the Airstream Base Camp. New this year
Under "Towing A Trailer", page 67 in the version I'm referencing.Thanks, exactly what I was looking for! Perhaps my manual is old. Is that on the Towing a Trailer section or the dimensions and weights section?
Jim, I'd love more detailed consumption data. There are some apps available to collect the telemetry for you. Here are a couple of choices (others can chime in if they have better feedback; I collect mine using my own app).I'm looking forward to more data from the trailers being towed! My wife and I are beginning planning for our next road trip (2 to 3 months of traveling in the southwest in March/April/May), and would like input about what data would be useful to you from pulling our Airstream 22 ft Bambi with our 90D. Any thoughts?
Thanks, that is fascinating. In the first graphic, I am surprised that just small changes in the vehicle shape, like rounding the corners, can reduce the CD so dramatically. Once that is done, tapering and extending the "tail" of the vehicle makes a big difference. Of course that isn't practical on a vehicle. But I think it at least in part explains why the Bowlus Road Chief towing energy usage numbers are as low as they are: that trailer has a quite pronounced taper at the rear, more than most trailers and certainly more than an Airstream, for example.Here are some pertinent graphics I found online while trying to ascertain the coefficient of drag related to travel trailers, and radiused-ones (Airstream, Bowlus, etc) in general
To Supercharge I assume one would need to unhook the trailer.
I don't recall any "pull through" supercharges ...
I'm betting that was our very own @JimVandegriff.I was charging my Model X at the Manteca, CA, charging station when a guy pulls up with his Model X with an Airstream trailer. He did NOT unhook his trailer. He simply pulled alongside the charging kiosk and plugged in. Fortunately the arrangement of the parking lot allowed him to only block the parking space that the charging kiosk was assigned to.
I asked him about mileage between charges and he said he was getting around 130 miles. Looking inside the Model X he had it packed with stuff. I didn't see inside the trailer. It looked pretty big to me.
There must be another Airstream/X combo out there - we have never been to the Manteca supercharger! Good to hear about this combo. I would have said "I'm betting that it is our very own ohmman and family."I'm betting that was our very own @JimVandegriff.
Wow, great to hear another one is out there.There must be another Airstream/X combo out there - we have never been to the Manteca supercharger! Good to hear about this combo. I would have said "I'm betting that it is our very own ohmman and family."
Thanks for those spec sheets. The only Eriba model that would fit the criteria my wife and I have developed is the Touring 542 model. It looks very functional with some nice features, but with the roof retracted it is still 6" taller than the Alto R1743 with the roof retracted. It is also 270 lbs heavier (width is essentially the same). Not big differences, but when towing every little bit counts. Whether a somewhat squarish trailer with radiused edges like the Eriba is better or worse in terms of drag than a teardrop roof style trailer with completely flat sidewalls like the Alto I just don't know.
Here is the Alto viewed from the rear quarter.
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The Alto from the front quarter.
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Here is an Eriba Touring.
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And with the pop up section of the roof raised.
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The Alto with the roof raised. I have been inside this trailer and with the roof up it is amazingly spacious and airy feeling for a 17 ft trailer. I have not seen an Eriba in real life.
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I have ordered an Alto R1723 (won't receive it until early 2018) in part because I think it is the most aerodynamic trailer in its size class. But so far the only X owner I have heard of who tows an Alto is @fortytwo so their energy consumption data is all I have to go on.
When are you planning to put a deposit down on an Alto? There is at least a one year wait after making a deposit.We hope to join you in 2018 with our 1723, so there will be at least 3 X-Alto combos.
What kind of wH/mi numbers are you seeing when towing and which X version do you have?We currently have a T@B, which we just towed for the first time with the X
Well, it does appear there's an optional heater, so I suppose with the right clothing/bedding and the heater on, one should be OK. I don't see an air conditioning option, though, so I imagine hotter areas are not as comfortable.ecarfan...yes Abbotsford. The dealer told us that there is no/little insulation in order to get the weight down...I made the smart*s comment something to the effect "seriously, and its made in Canada?" Yup. Only useable in summer. Not sure what would happen at 8000'
Okay, thanks for the info. I won't be using the Alto during the winter but definitely will from spring and into fall. I discussed the Alto heater choices with the salesperson and he said the standard EcoCombi space/water heater (I think that is how he described it) was fine for non-winter use, he did not recommend the optional more powerful heater. I have until next November before I have to finalize my order and plan to do more research.ecarfan...yes Abbotsford. The dealer told us that there is no/little insulation in order to get the weight down...I made the smart*s comment something to the effect "seriously, and its made in Canada?" Yup. Only useable in summer. Not sure what would happen at 8000'