Can I upgrade my Ap1 car to Full Self Driving ( FSD )?

[evalst2018]

Has there been any chatter regarding the ability to upgrade Ap1 cars to FSD. My understanding is that Tesla will replace hardware on Ap2/2.5 to make them able to be FSD.

I am guessing the biggest challenge with Ap1 cars is running cameras into the B pillars.

 

[Byshop303]

No, this will not be possible. When HW2 was first announced Elon said in a call that there would be no upgrade path between HW1 and HW2. He equated the complexity involved to being like performing a spinal transplant on the car and the procedure would cost more than just buying a new car.

 

[croman]

@Byshop303 -- what game is your avatar? I remember playing it as a kid -- you'd wait a while and the Grendal thing would come and try to eat you but I can't recall the name of it.

 

[Mark_T]

@Byshop303 -- what game is your avatar? I remember playing it as a kid -- you'd wait a while and the Grendal thing would come and try to eat you but I can't recall the name of it.

That is the SkiFree Yeti if I'm not mistaken...

 

[croman]

That is the SkiFree Yeti if I'm not mistaken...

Yes! Thanks!

 

[Tam]

...upgrade Ap1 cars to FSD...

I don't see why not.

It's software and hardware challenges.

The problem is to find someone to do it for you and I doubt that Tesla will take your money to do an upgrade.

Tesla prefers you to do a trade-in instead.

That means you need to pay a Do-It-Yourself expert. The problem is that payment may cost much more than a brand new car!

 

[asterothe]

I don't see why not.

It's software and hardware challenges.

The problem is to find someone to do it for you and I doubt that Tesla will take your money to do an upgrade.

Tesla prefers you to do a trade-in instead.

That means you need to pay a Do-It-Yourself expert. The problem is that payment may cost much more than a brand new car!

I think this is kind of customization that's very dangerous to make. It involves a lot of liabilities and codes. Even FSD becomes approved in a state, they would not certify this kind of cars.

 

[Tam]

...not certify this kind of cars.

True!

That happens a lot when using do-it-yourself experts (from no factory warranty to no certifications...)

 

[asterothe]

True!

That happens a lot when using do-it-yourself experts (from no factory warranty to no certifications...)

And this might be OK for a part that won't cause accident and cost people's lives but if a modified FSD unit involves into an accident it would be a nightmare.

 

[tmoz]

With HW1 (circa 2015), all the talk (from the showroom employees) was a self driving run from NY to LA that was promised to come soon. Sure sounded like FSD to me at the time. OK - maybe the cars have all the compute power and proper sensors. I do feel as if I was over promised/sold.

In 5-6 yrs, there will be vehicle to vehicle or vehicle to intersection communication that just might need new hardware to take full advantage of. Unless hacking is still too much of a threat, in which case just forget V2V communication.

Nearly 4 yrs old, I still don't think the time is right to trade up to a newer model S. Perhaps in a couple of years.

 

[Chaserr]

Yes, but nobody has done it yet. Pre-AP to AP1 has been done, and that's much harder. AP2 upgrading will require more cameras and wiring, but you won't need to upgrade the brake booster. I'm sure one of the usual suspects will do it sooner or later now that AP2 offers some features AP1 doesn't have.