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Or black swan events like a crash, which is ~0% use case, and yet is a survival of the family & gene pool vs. death of the family decision, and very real. Our very survival as a species is dependent on decisions like this. SUVs are in existence for good reasons. Tesla already hasn't disappointed on the safety scale, except perhaps for hack attacks.Indeed, but people buy based on what they think they need 2% of the time, not based on what they need 98% of the time. Ref: entire SUV and truck craze.
Yes; the semi towing ability derives some of its towing weight ability by being under a load and adopting a good portion of that loads' weight properly held up by a sturdy suspension underneath said load. I'm sure the overall weight of the tractor is also a factor and necessary.It's the weight. Towing a heavy load with a vehicle that weighs a lot less than that load is dangerous.
Good sound insulation. That could weigh a bit more, too.You can see a plastic cover on the rear bumper in this video @ 2:49 -
Code:https://youtu.be/ubCLbdm9DLY?t=169
What is the limiting factor to get >5,000lbs? Is it the Model X or Model Y weight, or is it the suspension, frame, etc. required to handle the trailer? Weight might not be the weak link in this calculation.
Yes; the semi towing ability derives some of its towing weight ability by being under a load and adopting a good portion of that loads' weight properly held up by a sturdy suspension underneath said load. I'm sure the overall weight of the tractor is also a factor and necessary.
I noticed this conflict when renting cars to tow stuff: hardy go-getter cheap SUVs & pickups with towing had lower tow ratings than posh fully loaded better-than-limo luxury SUVs for rich folk some of whom would never do something as worker-bee as tow a trailer, yet the fancy pantsy SUVs had the much higher tow ratings, and could tow the hell out of some big enormous thing. Why? Because the posh luxo boats weighed a hell of a lot more, so therefore had more tow capability. A simple weight calculation, despite the respective positions and desires of the owners. Luckily, when renting, the luxo boats are only a few hundred dollars more per day, so a week camping trip would be much nicer for only a few thousand dollars more (half that for half a week, even); getting stuck on the side of the road with a wimpy tower in misery vs. comfort and success becomes a cheap choice for renters. For owners, though, the full cost of those luxo boats is very prohibitive.
Since Model Y has steel and Model X does not, I wonder how much the Model Y will weigh. If the Model Y weighs as much as the Model X, it will have enough weight.
What is the limiting factor to get >5,000lbs? Is it the Model X or Model Y weight, or is it the suspension, frame, etc. required to handle the trailer? Weight might not be the weak link in this calculation.
I've always wanted a government-approved computer-enforced weight you could load low under your sturdier cars (pickups, vans, SUVs, etc.) to increase their weight ratings for towing, ever since I learned of this weight factor. I was thinking one such thing for Tesla could be a second battery pack bolted underneath, with suspension that can go up another foot to hold it (and possibly offer more off roading capabilities); this is a pipe dream (higher and stronger suspension, cooling lines for second pack, etc.), but in terms of tow ratings, would surely do the trick of allowing more tow weight engineered and spec'd into the vehicle.
Model Y? How much tow? I would like to know
Why do you think towing requires air suspension?I'm afraid we won't see towing on the MY until there is an air suspension option. Maybe not even then, as the Model S still is not approved for towing, even with the air suspension. Model X can tow because all of them have the air. I think they will only allow towing on vehicle lines that ALL have air suspension, to avoid confusion.
But I'm usually wrong.
I do not think towing requires air suspension. Tesla thinks safe towing with a Tesla requires air suspension.Why do you think towing requires air suspension?
Sure, as my Model 3 tows our 2000lb camper like a champ. BUT the issue is practicality for long trips, especially to National Parks with no electricity let alone EV charging. When your 300 miles of range drops to 180 when towing and since the VAST majority of SuperChargers are back in charging only, which means you need to unhitch to charge and then reconnect to travel again the current pain factor is too great for us. So I use our Volt for towing.Any speculation on if the Model Y will be able to tow and how much weight?
Source? I'm not trying to be an ass. This is the first I've heard anything like this. But can you even get an X w/out air suspension?Tesla thinks safe towing with a Tesla requires air suspension.
A few years ago Tesla made air suspension standard on the X, along with a number of other things that used to be options. I would not assume that just because all X have air suspension means that “Tesla thinks” air suspension is required for “safe towing”. There are many vehicles on the market that can tow and do not have air suspension.I do not think towing requires air suspension. Tesla thinks safe towing with a Tesla requires air suspension.
The Y will weigh at least 4000 pounds, it certainly won't be lighter than a 3. And if the Y is using the same drivetrain as the 3 then whatever a Y can tow, so can a 3.
Don't let the excitement show, Tesla deliberately put that cutout in there and didn't call attention to it, because they knew people would start over-analyzing and speculating on everything about the Y. I had enough speculation for 2 years while waiting on my 3 to be built and delivered.
I think the problem here is Americans. When I say "tow" they all think of towing a trailer sized to fit cars in the back of it: ie
However in the UK/Europe people often use very small trailers to say, move a fridge to someone's house; or perhaps to pick up a few bags of cement from the DIY store: ie
These are the sorts of trailers that the Model 3 and Y will be pulling the most.
Can I live without a towbar? Not really. Here's one I had put on my coupé