TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker or making a Paypal contribution here: paypal.me/SupportTMC

Candidates debate: Question asked about a Federal EV incentive

Discussion in 'Canada' started by RiverBrick, Sep 24, 2015.

  1. RiverBrick

    RiverBrick Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2014
    Messages:
    1,365
    Location:
    Québec
    French language debate, paraphrasing : A reporter stated the transport sector was responsible for much GHG and that many would like a green car, but they're often too expensive [that part made me cringe]. He then asked if the candidates would offer an EV incentive.

    Duceppe : Yes, 5k tax-rebate
    Harper: No direct answer, said his government was investing 1B annually in green transport projects.
    May: Yes. Also mentioned Harper had lent VW 500M this year.
    Mulcair: No direct answer on personal incentives, but said EVs were the future and he wants Canada to become a leader in their manufacture.
    Trudeau: No direct answer, talked about a green investment plan.

    I apologize for bad memory or translation on my part. Credit to the Quebec ev site, AVEQ. Link with Radio Canada video

    Question importante lors du «Débat des Chefs»: bonne idée de subventionner les voitures électriques au Fédéral? [VIDÉO] - AVbec - voiture electrique
     
  2. green1

    green1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2014
    Messages:
    4,105
    Location:
    Calgary, Alberta, Canada
    Well, neither May nor Duceppe will be prime minister, and none of the other 3 said yes. Considering how much other money they're all happy to say yes to, I'd have to say that means we won't see an EV incentive at the national level any time soon.
     
  3. Canuck

    Canuck Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2013
    Messages:
    3,922
    Location:
    South Surrey, BC
    Thanks for that summary. It's unbelievable that we don't have a federal EV rebate in Canada.

    - - - Updated - - -

    In my view, politics in Canada don't allow for such a blanket statement, nor do they always follow poll results. I bet you would have said the NDP would never be in power in Alberta this time last year, or perhaps even ever in our lifetimes! NDP could possibly get a minority gov't and liberals in collation could go along with an EV credit.
     
  4. green1

    green1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2014
    Messages:
    4,105
    Location:
    Calgary, Alberta, Canada
    The statement is pretty reasonable. Duceppe leads a party that only has candidates in one province, and May leads a party that had never had enough seats in parliament to officially reach party status. As for the Alberta NDP, during the election campaign it wasn't hard to see that possibility.
     
  5. Canuck

    Canuck Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2013
    Messages:
    3,922
    Location:
    South Surrey, BC
    Agreed on Duceppe and May but what I was trying to say is that if NDP and Liberals get in, even with a minority, they can form a coalition that outvotes Conservatives, and then we at least have a chance at an EV rebate. The best chance of a EV rebate is NDP but there's also a chance with Liberals. However, we all know with a Harper win, we'll never see an EV rebate.

    By the way, this doesn't necessarily mean I'd vote NDP (that's doubtful). It's just my comments on how we could possibly get a federal EV rebate in Canada.

    My friends in Alberta were all stunned by the NDP win. But if that's a bad example, then the last BC election was an outright shocker and none of the polls predicted it:

    Christy Clark leads Liberals to second majority in B.C. | canada.com
     
  6. RiverBrick

    RiverBrick Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2014
    Messages:
    1,365
    Location:
    Québec
    Trudeau's green plan in his response involves 20B investments over 10 years. The NPD Deputy in my riding was driving a LEAF before I was and is definitely for moving away from oil.
     
  7. wayner

    wayner Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2014
    Messages:
    1,583
    Location:
    Toronto
    But several provinces have very generous rebates like $8500 in ON and transportation is generally of provincial jurisdiction. It is hard to compare Canada to other countries, most of whom do not have a federal system.
     
  8. sitter_k

    sitter_k Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2014
    Messages:
    382
    Location:
    Toronto (GTA)
    I might need an ev rebate more with a PC loss!
     
  9. Canuck

    Canuck Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2013
    Messages:
    3,922
    Location:
    South Surrey, BC
    I think it's easy to compare. We are huge into oil, one of the wealthiest and highest educated countries in the world, and yet we lag far behind countries such as Norway when it comes to EV rebates and incentives. This is appalling and shows a complete disregard for future generations. It's simply a cop out to say that other countries do not having a federal system. Our federal system is precisely what allows for the feds to take the lead. Yet they chose to invest in big oil and dirty oil sands by way of huge subsidies and incentives. Shame on us!
     
  10. PoweredByRain

    PoweredByRain Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2014
    Messages:
    647
    Location:
    Victoria, BC
    "And yet"?

    The connection is obvious, is it not?

    This is the default state of affairs. It's exceptional that Norwegians seem to recognize the transient nature of their oil wealth, and are putting in place a way to take advantage of that wealth while being prepared to transition away from an oil-based economy.
     
  11. Canuck

    Canuck Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2013
    Messages:
    3,922
    Location:
    South Surrey, BC
    The part you edited out is the most important. It is our wealth and education that caused me to use the "and yet". I find it hard to say to poor countries that you should not use fossil fuels to bring your people to standard of living we are at. That's hard to do in itself but even harder without at least leading by example. It is our education and wealth that compels us to promote EV's. The government should be building high capacity charging stations, giving EV rebates and leading by example. We give so much to big oil, the EV rebates would be a drop in the bucket (or gallon), by comparison.
     
  12. wayner

    wayner Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2014
    Messages:
    1,583
    Location:
    Toronto
    But Norway is an outlier on this and maybe I am wrong but $8500 seems like a pretty good rebate. Does anyone have a list of all major countries and EV rebates?
     
  13. S'toon

    S'toon Knows where his towel is

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2015
    Messages:
    1,966
    Location:
    SK
  14. agloutney

    agloutney Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2014
    Messages:
    215
    Location:
    Montreal
    How about charging carbon credits on gasoline? Governments don't like giving money away. They are much happier to take it out of our pockets. The money collected could go towards electrifying transportation.
     
  15. RiverBrick

    RiverBrick Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2014
    Messages:
    1,365
    Location:
    Québec
    That was in the Conservative party platform two or three elections ago, but they discarded it after they won. Now, three or four provinces have their own carbon trade programs, though the price may be too low to be meaningful in Alberta.
     
  16. Canuck

    Canuck Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2013
    Messages:
    3,922
    Location:
    South Surrey, BC
  17. glenhurst

    glenhurst Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2014
    Messages:
    374
    Location:
    Minneapolis, MN
    Wish we could get one in the US. And we will, some day. Gas cars are cheaper only because they're not paying for the pollution they're creating, rather like dumping one's garbage out in the street. But I think there's a generational change coming. When the Model III comes out, along with Chevy's Bolt, which means used Leafs will be available for less that $20k, more and more people will have electrics. Eventually, a critical mass of people will be asking why ICEs get a pass on pollution. I give it five years.
     
  18. PoweredByRain

    PoweredByRain Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2014
    Messages:
    647
    Location:
    Victoria, BC
    Right on!


    Actually, used LEAFs can be had for less than $10k already. Most older ones are less than $15k.
     
  19. Beckler

    Beckler Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2012
    Messages:
    365
    Location:
    Canada
    I wonder how we can get government to talk about a federal EV incentive? There must be some sort of campaign we can start but I don't know the best way to do that. There's got to be a way for Tesla/Nissan combined with interested canadians to start something but I know nothing about how that would work. Surely someone on this forum has experience.
     
  20. Doug_G

    Doug_G Lead Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2010
    Messages:
    15,848
    Location:
    Ottawa, Canada
    Well duh. No one wants to talk about carbon taxes, but this is the sensible way to fix an unpriced externality. Cap-and-trade is a more complex way to do the same thing... just avoids the word "tax".

    It does need to be revenue-neutral though. Stephan Dion's plan was NOT, despite what he claimed. It included social spending, which is tax-and-spend. As long as people don't meddle like that, a truly revenue-neutral carbon tax could be a big economic win as well as a big incentive for getting off carbon.
     

Share This Page