C&D seems to like the hybrid supercar Acura NSX
2017 Acura NSX First Drive | Review | Car and Driver
2017 Acura NSX First Drive | Review | Car and Driver
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Car and Driver Model 3 Test - Not Great
- Thread starter igotzzoom
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I don’t get some of these reviews. The Model 3s that i have sat in easily match the “luxury” feel of a 3-series or A4. The performance is better, the efficiency better and the steering is better.
The total opposite of reading a review on the latest Cadillac where the magazines breathlessly speak about how close GM is to the Germans and then going to go drive one and realizing how far far away GM actually is.
Model 3 is a hit. Will absolutely decimate every car in this class.
The total opposite of reading a review on the latest Cadillac where the magazines breathlessly speak about how close GM is to the Germans and then going to go drive one and realizing how far far away GM actually is.
Model 3 is a hit. Will absolutely decimate every car in this class.
Have you ever pushed a Cadillac with all the electronics aids turned off on a race course?
The typical review: "Sure the Cadillac handles better, is more predictable, is less money, and laps quicker, but the cupholders are plastic. We think the BMW is superior, because not only is the plastic interior EuroPlastic, it has a far better PoserIndex."
You can't.
The Bolt manual makes a reference to using 80kW DCFC stations to get the maximum charge rate, and lots of people interpreted that as meaning that the Bolt could charge at up to 80kW. But in reality it tops out at ~55kW.
Bolt EV ~150A/~55 kW max charging rate confirmed
Cheburashka
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sreams
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I wish I can like your post x10.
Reading a post over Tesla forum where they call all Tesla owners /reservation holders to arm themselves against recent media attack on issues such as model S recall , fatal auto pilot accident On Model X, model 3 production delay and early defects/issues make me want to puke. People don’t call Tesla owners is a cult for no reason.
sreams
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It is simplistic to the point of being inaccurate to call it an "auto pilot accident". It ignores the fact that the driver ignored the warnings from the AP system to take the wheel and pay attention. It ignores the fact that the driver did absolutely nothing to take over or even slow down during the 5 second period where the car was headed directly for the concrete divider with an unimpeded view. It ignores the fact that, due to gross negligence, the crash attenuator was left in its collapsed state for way too long a period, and that if it had been reset, it most likely would have kept the driver alive. Why not call it a "collapsed crash attenuator accident" or "inattentive driver accident"? Because it's about clicks and it's about $. It most certainly isn't about being objective.
sreams
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I'm responding to the fact that you are calling the Model 3 drive-train "lowly" (really?), while defending C&D who thinks the Chevy Bolt was one of the 10 best cars of 2017. In C&D's Bolt write-up, they talk about how it is "quick", and how it has excellent range. And yet, when they write about the much quicker and much longer-range Model 3, they aren't happy. Which is it?
T34ME
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Sure, as long as you never drive anywhere or are willing to put up with massive inconveniences. But trips are a non-starter in anything other than a Tesla, and only a few EVs can achieve any reasonable day's driving. (Ideally you need three days' commuting to cover most power outages.)
T34ME
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If your a Trump fan why are you here on this forum?? Can’t find anyone on the planet that loves oil and the amazing clean coal fable more than him......
public enemy number one for anything good for the planet.
public enemy number one for anything good for the planet.
Not sure why you guys are bashing C&D. Everything they said has been posted on this forum in some form or another. Heck, there's even a checklist that checks for panel gaps. 
AutoPilot actively drove a vehicle at high speed into a highway barrier. Regardless of any other factors. Don’t blame the victim.
It's $121 roundtrip from San Diego to San Francisco. It takes 90 minutes. The electricity at Superchargers is .25, and minimum wage is $11/hr. The trip is 500mi each way with tons of SCs. The main route makes I-10 in West Texas seem scenic.
Obviously an EV is not saving you time, but it's not actually saving you money even if you work at McDonalds.
But? I'm not in the 'fries with that' end of the food chain anyhow. I'm not wasting 10+10 hours in a car if there are other options on the table.
The 'ICE is better at long hauls' is exactly as true as 'The BMW M3 is a better track car than the Tesla Model 3'. Both being irrelevant for most drivers. People don't drive track events often, people don't drive sedans cross country often if they can afford to fly instead.
And the same thing applies to EV range once you reach your convenience tipping point. Our tipping point is 3h30m. That's a 50/50 decision whether to fly or drive. And driving assumes non-stop at 85mph through mountains, something no BEV can do yet reliably. If it's too cold, or a headwind, it's out of range. On busy weekends, it's a flight. On normal ones, it's a drive.
You might drive everywhere you go. That's fine. Your best choice then is not a BEV if you like to go 'places' and do 'things'. No, there are not SC's everywhere yet, regardless of what you read on the web. For April 2018, ICE still holds the long-range and go-anywhere titles. But that doesn't matter for most drivers; it's a bar room debate, not a serious topic.
PS - Odd somebody from Texas would be expounding the virtues of EVs for long range travel. Did they finish support for the I-10 West yet? One of the few cross-country trips I've done a lot is California to Florida, and West Texas is a major segment. However, I am towing heavy on that run. Too big for an EV, too little for Class 8 EV.
JohnSnowNW
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Sorry, but that removes personal responsibility...which is an inherent design requirement to use the system.
Blaming AP is lazy, and incorrect.
No, it’s a design flaw. Relying on the driver to override AutoPilot from driving into a highway barrier is a design flaw. AutoPilot shouldn’t be trying to drive into the highway barrier in the first place.
T34ME
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Because AP is not FSD. AP accidents are driver error accidents. Logs show the driver was alerted by audio and physical warnings at least 6 seconds and 150 meters (that's almost two american football field lengths) prior to impact. Something not right with that driver.
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