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Car and Driver Review of Model 3

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by rocketlow49, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. rocketlow49

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    #1 rocketlow49, Apr 19, 2018
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    Hi guys, hope all is well!

    I have just completed my read of Car and Driver's in-depth review of the Model 3. Is it me or are they seemingly purposely ignoring super important value proposition of the car considering they are calling it an "In-depth" review - for whatever reason. It almost seems like they are trying to dissuade people to buy it - perhaps they were paid off by one of the traditional car companies or oil companies to write negative press about the car? It seems like a lot of that is going on these days everywhere! Here are a few reasons why I feel that way.
    • They never mention Autopilot at all, other than the fact that it costs money. <- one main reason why people buy this car
    • The car is gorgeous by any standard, especially compared to other butt ugly EVs (you can say that is subjective... but come on!).
    • User-experience of climate control vents (or lack of vents visually)
    • Auto-park for both parallel and reverse
    • They complain about lack of Carplay/Android Auto, but fail to mention that it has the best nav system out there
    • They complain about lack of Sat Radio, but fail to mention that there is free music streaming (free LTE for life)
    • 15inch LCD screen is the largest in any other car other than the S/X
    • They keep comparing to cars that are not even in the same price range (cheaper), something they would never do with their other car reviews.
    • They seem to never mention the biggest value-add for this car compared to 95% of the other cars they review which is; you never need to fill it up with gas, Tesla Super Charger Network, and zero-emissions.
    All that, yet they complain about smaller than average door storage!

    Here is the link
    2018 Tesla Model 3 | In-Depth Model Review | Car and Driver

    What do you guys think?
    Hank
     
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  2. TexasEV

    TexasEV Well-Known Member

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    We think it’s been discussed extensively here already.
     
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  3. novox77

    novox77 1.21 Gigawatts

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    I've seen this in multiple reviews and I just can't fathom under what conditions they tested the car that led them to that conclusion. I am slaughtering the EPA ratings for the 3. And in cold weather because freaking New England weather. It snowed today.
     
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    They tested at 28F if I remember correctly. There is another long thread on this...
     
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  5. rocketlow49

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    Dang should of did a search first. But man.. The more I read it, the more apparent they were paid off...I have been a BMW fan for ages. Owned many of them. Still drive a 3016 328XI sedan. The moment I sat in an Model 3 and test drove a Model X, I never looked at my car the same. And... and just a few months ago, I was a Tesla naysayer. I will never read another CD magazine again!
     
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  6. novox77

    novox77 1.21 Gigawatts

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    ok this rings a bell. that thread became a clusterf*k - basically people who enjoy C&D battling with ppl who think C&D is a joke when it comes to EV evaluation. Yeah, we don't really need another one of those threads :D
     
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    SSonnentag Rocket Scientist

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    The way I look at it is, if they're stooping to nit picking the door pocket size, the car must be pretty good. :D
     
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    I suppose it's better than being MotorTrended! :)
     
  9. SageBrush

    SageBrush 2020: Drain the Sewer

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    Oh ?

    What did you say, and why did you say it ?
     
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    SageBrush 2020: Drain the Sewer

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    I view car magazine reviews as lousy entertainment posing as information. Never something to take seriously if read at all.
     
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    Wait until all the car magazines realize how close in design the Model 3 is to their beloved Porsche 911.

    Rear engine, rear wheel drive, frunk, sophisticated multi link suspensions, low center of gravity, excellent throttle control, aerodynamic body shape, fuel efficient, etc.
     
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    #12 jsmay311, Apr 19, 2018
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    Edmund's long-term test drive is also finding poor efficiency relative to EPA ratings. So far over 3 months they're averaging 317 Wh/mile vs the EPA's 270 Wh/mile (for the 2017 model). This is in mild-to-warm southern California temps. They also note that this under-performance is not typical for their other tests of other EVs. Their Bolt has been beating its EPA ratings in the same weather conditions, for example.

    Unlike probably 90%+ of Model 3 owners, they are measuring efficiency from the wall, not simply going by what's displayed on the screen. I wonder how much Tesla's high vampire losses play into this.
     
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    EPA's rating is not from the wall. EPA rates cars on how far the car can go based on the amount of fuel/electricity IN the car.

    If Edmunds wants to test electricity usage at the wall, they should be doing that across all their EV tests (they might be, I haven't verified), and they should disclose that their numbers may look worse than EPA ratings because of that.

    It really makes me want to do a long term test on my car. My lifetime number is 221Wh/mi with ~1500 miles driven. Weather has been stubbornly cold since I received the car (march 30). I've only seen numbers in the 300Wh/mi range when I'm gunning it at every single light, or i sit in my car idle with the heat on for 5-10 min before I pull out of my parking space. I frequently am under 200Wh/mi commuting to work.

    Now, if you were to say that my numbers are off because I should be measuring from the wall, yeah my numbers would be worse. But THAT much worse?

    Take my lifetime reading from the car: 221Wh/mi. If that represents only 80% of what was pulled from my house, then at the breaker, I'd be at 276Wh/mi. Still way better than the 318Wh/mi Edmunds is getting. And I suspect my losses are not as bad to yield only 80% per charge.
     
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  14. SageBrush

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    MPGe is from the wall, as is the kWh/100 miles.
     
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    I use to think Teslas were over priced. I don't think so anymore. We are paying for the experience of owning a Tesla. Based on my previous flawed logic, I could have said the same thing for Ferraris and Lambos - but people still buy them.
     
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    #16 jsmay311, Apr 19, 2018
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    My only regret is I can only click "disagree" once. :D ;)

    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/pdfs/EPA test procedure for EVs-PHEVs-7-5-2012.pdf
    "[...] the battery is recharged from a normal AC source and the energy consumption of the vehicle is determined by dividing the kilowatt-hours of energy to recharge the battery by the miles traveled by the vehicle."
     
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  17. T34ME

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    Ohhhhhh, I am having trouble resisting the urge to make the same observation about "adult entertainment" media!
     
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  18. SSonnentag

    SSonnentag Rocket Scientist

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    Yeah, that 317 WH/mile seems really suspect. My S is averaging 29x WH/mile (over 12,000 miles) and I know the 3 is more efficient than the S.
     
  19. novox77

    novox77 1.21 Gigawatts

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    I stand corrected; thanks guys :D
     
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    Limbaugh came to mind.
     
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