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Car & Driver: The Mach E is simply better than the Model Y
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Good point. You can leave the cockpit with the co-pilot at the controls. You can't while only the autopilot is controlling.
Since release I've only seen about 3-4 Mach-e's in Miami. I thought I'd see way more than that by now, but Tesla still rules by a wide margin. My workplace alone has about 4 or 5. And in one day I can easily count 5-10 on the way to work and back. Lots of Model Ys as well. This all seemed to have really ramped up in the last year or so.
RobDickinson
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MontyFloyd
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For 1 year production? Not bad, given it is new car, teething pains, part shortages, and all. Needs to at least triple that next year.
Oh yeh! Now we know why the Mach-E is definitely better than Tesla. Ford delays OTA updates of safety issues to avoid issuing recalls... 
I am out of words on the rediculous efforts of Ford fans trying to justify their choice.
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I am out of words on the rediculous efforts of Ford fans trying to justify their choice.This is why Ford will be conservative rolling out OTA updates
The federal administration is taking a hard stance on Tesla's cavalier attitude toward OTA updates. Sending fixes to security issues requires Tesla to issue a recall which Tesla is reluctant to do. It's pretty clear that the administration will be harder on Tesla than Ford because Tesla is not...
www.macheforum.com
MontyFloyd
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Oh yeh! Now we know why the Mach-E is definitely better than Tesla. Ford delays OTA updates of safety issues to avoid issuing recalls...
This is why Ford will be conservative rolling out OTA updates
The federal administration is taking a hard stance on Tesla's cavalier attitude toward OTA updates. Sending fixes to security issues requires Tesla to issue a recall which Tesla is reluctant to do. It's pretty clear that the administration will be harder on Tesla than Ford because Tesla is not...
Sounds familiar
I am astounded how poor other EV cars are, even when they already spent years of R&D on them (Nissan Leaf, very early lead, squandered)
VW iD series also years of development, and "meh" results.
And so on.
MontyFloyd
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Well, no matter how good Mach-E is, has still has no chance against Tesla (no non-Tesla EV will), and any ICE.
I guess GM asked Chevy Bolt owners to park 50 ft away from other cars so these owners can feel special.
With a customer base like this, why would Ford even try to fix anything knowing they'll still buy them? This very attitude will carry over to the F-150.Oh yeh! Now we know why the Mach-E is definitely better than Tesla. Ford delays OTA updates of safety issues to avoid issuing recalls...
This is why Ford will be conservative rolling out OTA updates
The federal administration is taking a hard stance on Tesla's cavalier attitude toward OTA updates. Sending fixes to security issues requires Tesla to issue a recall which Tesla is reluctant to do. It's pretty clear that the administration will be harder on Tesla than Ford because Tesla is not...
The design is flawed (so many modules - as Munroe correctly pointed out) and does not allow for a simple OTA update process. Look at how long dealers are taking to complete updates. And often, Ford has to be involved in to ensure the vehicle isn't bricked.
These people are content with Ford lying to their faces. And like predicted, the Ford representative is responding less and less to issues on the forum. They were completely silent on the GT PE performance issue. When they eventually bail, the forum response will be hilarious.
MontyFloyd
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thesmokingman
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Ford Mustang MACH E GT vs Tesla Model Y Performance: ELECTRIC SUVs — Cleanerwatt
How does the Ford Mustang Mach E GT compare to the Performance Tesla Model Y? If you're in the market for a high performance vehicle, but you need the practicality of a sports utility vehicle with a hatchback, or if you're just curious how these two performance SUVs compare, then read on as I dive
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This is a surprisingly even keeled breakdown. Cliffs the Y beats the E in practically every category.
RobDickinson
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So it turns out the ford can only manage 5 seconds of power before having to mostly shut down due to overheating etc (pack/inverter).
This in Europe would be known as power boost and legally they should be advertising the normal rate as its bhp/kw power with boost like Porsche etc do, rather than the boost value as the headline power.
This in Europe would be known as power boost and legally they should be advertising the normal rate as its bhp/kw power with boost like Porsche etc do, rather than the boost value as the headline power.
thesmokingman
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Yeap. I was lol'ing while reading about this. This is the result of a lackluster cooling system. I concur with your point of how a limit pertains to the definition of its power output. It's a good take on it. A tesla won't start throttling until after like 30 mins of hotlaps at the ring which is like like 3 laps... and the E cannot handle 5 secs lol.
Discovered: GTPE Delivers 5 Seconds of Full Power on Acceleration Then Reduces Battery Power to Limit Heating
Comment by reviewer notes Ford explains the GTPE delivers full power for about 5 seconds, then ramps it back to limit heating. Long term battery life is the goal. So... 5 SECONDS of power is what you get, that gets you over 60mph and after that, not so much. 5SOP and then CTJ. That is, you...
www.macheforum.com
MontyFloyd
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Crikey! And the Mach-E is considered one of the best BEV's on market?!?
Not only does Tesla promise a faster production rate, but there is nothing that can compete against it!
I didn't read all 33 pages of this thread, but I'd like to add the following observations:
1 - I read C&D religiously for 20 years until around 2010 when they became nothing more than an advertisement for OEM's.
2 - They have shown clear bias against EV's for at least a decade ( because see #1 ^ ).
3 - Ford's play on the Mustang brand is lazy, pathetic and dilutes the Mustang's legendary status in automobile history.
4 - IMHO the MME is the ugliest EV in mass production right now. It reminds me of a Coda...especially the front.
I own M3 and MY. I have Ioniq 5 and EV6 as planned additions for 2022. MME comes nowhere close.
1 - I read C&D religiously for 20 years until around 2010 when they became nothing more than an advertisement for OEM's.
2 - They have shown clear bias against EV's for at least a decade ( because see #1 ^ ).
3 - Ford's play on the Mustang brand is lazy, pathetic and dilutes the Mustang's legendary status in automobile history.
4 - IMHO the MME is the ugliest EV in mass production right now. It reminds me of a Coda...especially the front.
I own M3 and MY. I have Ioniq 5 and EV6 as planned additions for 2022. MME comes nowhere close.
I think the Porsche Taycan Turbo S (highest level trim) can only hold the "boost" for a few seconds as well.
Porsche had commercials where they made a big deal out of being able to do back-to-back-to-back launches, but there was a lot of missing info.
Porsche had commercials where they made a big deal out of being able to do back-to-back-to-back launches, but there was a lot of missing info.
Yeap. I was lol'ing while reading about this. This is the result of a lackluster cooling system. I concur with your point of how a limit pertains to the definition of its power output. It's a good take on it. A tesla won't start throttling until after like 30 mins of hotlaps at the ring which is like like 3 laps... and the E cannot handle 5 secs lol.
Discovered: GTPE Delivers 5 Seconds of Full Power on Acceleration Then Reduces Battery Power to Limit Heating
Comment by reviewer notes Ford explains the GTPE delivers full power for about 5 seconds, then ramps it back to limit heating. Long term battery life is the goal. So... 5 SECONDS of power is what you get, that gets you over 60mph and after that, not so much. 5SOP and then CTJ. That is, you...
thesmokingman
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Oh that's right, I remember that now. However that apparently didn't help them in the Japan Grand EV series.
6/10 and down a lap. I mean, at least the Taycan finished ahead of the Leaf and other budget cars. 
I read somewhere that Porsche sized and tuned the cooling in the Taycan to get through a single lap of the Nurburgring. That's making more and more sense now.
I read somewhere that Porsche sized and tuned the cooling in the Taycan to get through a single lap of the Nurburgring. That's making more and more sense now.
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