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Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by vfx, Apr 24, 2009.

  1. vfx

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    Any news on reinstating the CARB $5000 EV rebate?
     
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    Mary Nichols CARB Chariman
    Mary Nichols: How California is Breaking the Petroleum Habit
     
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    IF they truly want to incentivize people to drive EV's they should be given credits which they could then sell to Ferrari drivers.
     
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    Yep, that is going to cost California a lot of jobs and tax revenue in an already sinking economy. I hope it does not create too many problems for Tesla, or affect the final price of the cars!
     
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    #12 Robert.Boston, Jan 9, 2012
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    Here's some good news for all of you Californians:

    California budget: Jerry Brown plans for future amid cuts

     
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    How would it be possible to reformulate gasoline to have 10% less carbon? Would it not be far easier to just add a gasoline tax?
     
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    Reformulating is done in the refinery, they call it "cracking". The process breaks up long strings of hydrocarbons (CH2)n and adds hydrogen. Highest possible ratio is CH4 but then you have methane.
     
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    Not being a refinery specialist, but cracking can give you just about what you want. We think of gas as "octane", or 8 carbons strings surrounded by hydrogen. This is in reality a mix of several carbon chains, including ethanol (2 carbons) and probably higher carbon strings than octanes. To get gasoline with 10% less carbon, cut the average of the carbon strings by 10%: More hexane/heptane, more ethanol/propanol, fewer nonanes and decanes. etc.

    Of course, remembering that they use enough electricity ALREADY in refining gas to drive an electric 50 - 100 miles, this would probably just drive up the use of electricity, usually made from a carbon source. They just need to give it up with the "fixes" of gas engine problems. It will never work.
     
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    I got corrected on this, so I'll share the pain... most of the energy used in refining is not electricity, but comes from the crude itself. Doesn't mean that there isn't a lot of energy used to refine gasoline (about 6-8 kWh/gallon), but only a ~10% slice of that is off the grid.
     
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    Where does the rest of the energy come from? Are they generating the rest onsite somehow? Thanks.
     
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    Yes, mostly on-site energy burning by-products from the oil.
     
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    But we still don't know what the upstream extraction / pumping / transportation and downstream distribution energy equivalents are. And those are getting higher all the time. I'd put good money on the energy put into a gallon of gas from the tar sands would easily be over 12kWh worth.
     
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    And producing extraordinary amounts of carbon dioxide and other pollution.
     

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