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CCS Adapter for North America

Discussion in 'Supercharging & Charging Infrastructure' started by Can37, Sep 8, 2019.

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  1. CapsEngineer

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    So you have to charge the battery to charge the battery?

    Wonder how long you have to sit at the charger charging your cable before you can charge your car.

    This just brings up some (to me anyway) funny scenarios.
     
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  2. jmbloom_m3p

    jmbloom_m3p Supporting Member

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    The Ioniq works like phones. You drive one car on top of the other and the one on top can charge the one on the bottom. Easypeasy. :)
     
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  3. chronoreverse

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    It's good to see it really is 200A continuous. Generally that's 80% of peak so 115kW for the 400V packs should be well within its limits.

    Assuming anyone can get it working in North America. I wonder if the Korean Teslas really have something different.
     
  4. jmbloom_m3p

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    Just saw your posts. Sorry to duplicate everyone. What a bummer on the compatibility. The SETEC people I was emailing with said if I had problems to follow up with them, will see what happens once I have a car to actually figure out it does not work with... Sigh....
     
  5. henderrj

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    it would be great if someone could try it on a model S or x. There's a very good chance that it's different than a model 3. Seems to me I remember reading the chademo adapter didn't work on a model 3 when it worked on a model s. I think they fixed that, maybe this can happen too.
     
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  6. chronoreverse

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    Maybe post in the main Model S forum to ask. Perhaps someone nearby could test it with you folks?
     
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    Interesting that the error changes when your car is locked versus unlocked.

    IIRC proximity error has to do with wether the charge cable is completely inserted and latched.

    Maybe the adapter is talking Korean to the charger?
     
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  8. RandyS

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    I have a Model S as well and will probably get around to trying it in a day or two...
     
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  9. cwerdna

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    That's too bad. Willing to post the Plugshare link and/or addresses of the two sites so we can take a look? EA isn't exactly the pinnacle of reliability when it comes to charging. Up here in Nor Cal, I've also had pretty mixed experiences w/EVgo DC FCs.

    At least it didn't sound like you had a problem w/their credit card readers which you should avoid using (search Electrify America Talks Charging Network Problems, Has Solutions for credit card). Always best to start sessions w/them via their app from a reliability POV.
     
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    Correct. The CHAdeMO adapter didn't work on the 3 while it worked on the S and X. Was like this for a very long time.

    The date of Tesla Model 3 In North America Finally Can Use CHAdeMO Adapter (July 2019) sounds about right.
     
  11. RandyS

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    I went to the Murphy Canyon Walmart EA site, the Fashion Valley EA site, and the Fashion Valley eVgo site...

    Murphy Canyon EA:
    PlugShare - Find Electric Vehicle Charging Locations Near You

    Fashion Valley EA:
    PlugShare - Find Electric Vehicle Charging Locations Near You

    Fashion Valley eVgo:
    PlugShare - Find Electric Vehicle Charging Locations Near You
     
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  12. SageBrush

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    I've read multiple reports of people with CCS cars having trouble and errors getting charging to start. The solutions are related to getting the plug and port to physically make a good connection.
     
  13. RandyS

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    CCS connector snapped in very snugly to the adapter, and the adapter made a great solid fit into the Model 3. I don't see how the connection could be any better. No tension on the cable that would pull it out of alignment, etc. Will try Model S soon...
     
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  14. cwerdna

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    I suspect issues that you're alluding to are Chevrolet Bolt EV and Spark EV Charging Port Issues and Corrections | Torque News (I don't follow the Spark EV issues as I don't care) and the issue on Bolts using the heavy cables and handles from Huber+Suhner that EA uses. Finally EA makes a video on how to prop-up the cable happened.

    It is one of the most common complaints of n00bs on Bolt FB groups where someone complains they couldn't get their Bolt to charge on EA DC FCs and we always have to ask if if they held up the handle until the plug gets locked to the car. Of course, you don't need to with J1772 nor pretty much any other DC FC. This is besides imploring them not to use EA's unreliable card readers.

    I can't speak to other models but EA's video names the Spark, Bolt and i3, as examples.

    As a side note, this is partly what rankles me about anti-CHAdeMO folks. Well, you folks got your wish about killing it in the US. CHAdeMO doesn't have this issue and it had a few more years to evolve vs. SAE Combo. Oh well. (This is not to say that the early CHAdeMO handles weren't crap. They were not intuitively designed and it was to easy to to things wrong if one didn't read the directions. But that's mostly a non-issue now.)
     
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  15. jmbloom_m3p

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    I would think maybe that issue happens once, but not on all three chargers in three different locations. I am betting it is a software change on the Model 3. Now that I actually got a VIN this morning, and I hope it means I have a car soon, I can try to test as well.
     
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    Got mine today as well. (2015 M S90D). Tried it at a blink station. Got one of two errors (tried multiple times) Communications Error and Isolation Fail. (see pics). Sent an email out to Setec. I suspect we're going to be beta testers as they tweak the firmware

    Seeing as this adapter is mentioned in multiple sub-forums and threads, may be a Setec only thread should be started? This would help people share information with a 'one stop shop.'
     

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  17. jmbloom_m3p

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    I agree, a separate thread pulling our testing of this thing together in one spot, plus comms with SETEC would probably be most helpful to everyone on the forum.
     
  18. Ingineer

    Ingineer Electrical Engineer

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    FYI: The CCS standard requires a motorized connector latch be engaged before charging can start. Does the Setec even have a motorized latch? If not then it's dangerous. If the cable were pulled out while under 200A there could be an arc-over and explosion. This is why CCS, CHAdeMO and Tesla all have a motorized latch that prevents the handle from being removed until the current falls to zero.
     
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    The manual for my 2021 MS LR+ sez that
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    Tesla makes J1772, CHAdeMO and CCS adapters to allow you to plug into most commonly used public charging stations in your region."

    Maybe it will be released in the near future.
     
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  20. theothertom

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    I wonder if that's a general manual that's also issued in the EU where Tesla has released a CCS (type 2) adapter.
     
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