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Read the forum, technically it is not possible for a simple mechanical lock extension from the car port to the Type1 plug as used in the Type 2 plug necessitating an electromagnetic lock, power, and the logic to drive it, can't be dumb, and it can't be cheap.
Look at it this way, separate from the question if Tesla really needs one, if a cheap/dumb solution was possible we would have it by now.
Unfortunately this is highly dependent on where you live, if you're a yank (especially in Cali), sure I agree. As a canuck, Tesla literally just finished a single path that allows Canadians to cross the country in a Tesla without having to cross the border into the USA. And it's only one route in the second largest country in the world. Go check out the supercharger map for Canada and see how complete that network looks to you. If I want to go further north than 500km to the US border, I am pretty much out of luck.Simple innovation is indeed possible, just use freaking the superchargers, easier, more reliable, cheaper
We've had this discussion earlier in this thread, but I'm not convinced that this is a show stopper:Read the forum, technically it is not possible for a simple mechanical lock extension from the car port to the Type1 plug as used in the Type 2 plug necessitating an electromagnetic lock, power, and the logic to drive it, can't be dumb, and it can't be cheap.
Even in this scenario, where a CCS adapter was the same basic design/price as the CHAdeMO adapter, I'd imagine a ton of people would still buy them. Obviously, something the size/price of the standard J1772 adapter would be preferred (if the engineering/physics/etc would allow for it).Right, so a CCS Type 1 socket assembly with the required lock and the ability to hold the plug and cord will be too bulky and heavy leveraging too much torque on the vehicle's TSL-02 port. That will necessitate a pigtail design like the existing CHAdeMO adapter with an extra foot or two of cable and a Tesla plug with the release soft button in it. Such solution is surely possible, but again, it will not be a "dumb" passive adapter and it will not be cheaper than the CHAdeMO adapter.
Even in this scenario, where a CCS adapter was the same basic design/price as the CHAdeMO adapter, I'd imagine a ton of people would still buy them. Obviously, something the size/price of the standard J1772 adapter would be preferred (if the engineering/physics/etc would allow for it).
Part of me also wonders if Tesla's avoidance of CCS is to drive/maintain SuperCharger revenue? I.e. if Tesla did make a CCS adapter as convenient as the J1772 adapter, how much SuperCharger business would be lost to competitors (like VW's EA)?
Part of me also wonders if Tesla's avoidance of CCS is to drive/maintain SuperCharger revenue? I.e. if Tesla did make a CCS adapter as convenient as the J1772 adapter, how much SuperCharger business would be lost to competitors (like VW's EA)?
My third Supercharger session with my car was last week in Irvine, Calif. I was visiting customers, and was down to 20% SOC. I could make it back to the shop, but it would be close.
So I tell the car to go the nearest SC. It takes me to the inside of a hidden parking structure on Lvl 2. I get there, and there is a line waiting for it. So out of politeness, I turned off my headlights. 75 minutes later (70kW SC) I depart at 50% SOC. I now switch the headlights to AUTO, but now AUTO means "stay on forever". Now I have manually operate the headlights. I may have to have it serviced just to do a full bootstrap reload. Oddly enough the car lacks a power switch or an easy to access battery terminal. Two buttons and brake reboot it, but the AUTO problem is persistent.
Why the long winded tirade? My other EV is CCS, I never spend 75 minutes at DCFC. It charges at ~75 kW average from 10% to 90% which is actually faster than my X at a 140kW. And there was a CCS closer to me than that hidden parking structure. After ~30 DCFC sessions, my other EV has never had to wait for a stall. And it doesn't have dozens minor software bugs in virtually all systems.
CCS and ChadeMo are the most popular in Canada for cross country travel not including Tesla on the TransCanada but not the YellowheadNobody really knows -- at least, not outside of Tesla. There have been some vague promises that Tesla will eventually support "all important charging standards," or words to that effect, but that claim is very much open to interpretation, and of course there's nothing remotely resembling a promise as to when new products will be made available. I seem to recall seeing a post somewhere from somebody who received a vague promise that Tesla was working on such an adapter from a customer support person, but that's nth-hand information from somebody who's likely not involved in the development, and so that information doesn't carry much weight with me.
Personally, given Tesla's history on this and the fact that a CCS adapter is far from required in North America (or any other market that uses the same CCS variety we use here), I'd say it's likely to materialize sometime, but the wait is likely to be measured in years, not weeks or months. Note that CHAdeMO is quite dominant in Japan, so Tesla was highly motivated to create that adapter for the Model S when they introduced it into the Japanese market, and to make the CHAdeMO adapter work with the Model 3 when they began selling the Model 3 there. There's no equivalent compelling need for CCS, AFAIK.
Another summer of road trips has rolled around and I'm still holding out hope a CCS adapter will be available soon (tm). My first trip of the year I am borrowing a friends CHAdeMO adapter; he bought it back in his Model S days 6 years ago so it was a worthwhile investment at the time. I find it hard to want to shell out the cash now though, when I see that the CCS adapter being sold in Europe is smaller, cheaper, and charges at a higher rate! Almost none of the public DCFCs are free now in BC (as it should be), and of course none of the private ones are, so there is no cost-benefit argument to just buy it now. The only reason is to get the ability to travel further afield...
My usual stomping grounds - DCFC coverage:
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That is a whole lot of BC, AB and northern WA/ID/MT I can't get to at all. Many of these regions are major tourism draws and/or major cities (at least as far as BC is concerned for size!). If they won't build us more SC's in these areas, at least give us the ability to use the latest standard. CHAdeMO is dying a slow death and I do not want to spend big $$ on an adapter for it.
Oof feels bad man, are there any free BC hydro chargers near you? If so, what kind of kWs do you see on them?Good news - I caved and bought the CHAdeMO adapter, so the CCS adapter should come out in a few months or less. (This is based on my past experience of having off-timing for almost every EV related purchase thus far haha! BC government rebate cancelled right before I bought my Leaf in 2014, Tesla dropped price substantially on my M3 a few months after I bought it, Tesla actually released the MY really early, which I would have preferred over my M3 but couldn't wait 2+ years...)
Hey, that was my joke.Good news - I caved and bought the CHAdeMO adapter, so the CCS adapter should come out in a few months or less.
Hopefully this becomes a driver for Tesla to offer a CCS adapter. Realistically though, all new Tesla cars in NA should have built in Combo1 and Tesla connectors. Unfortunately, NA regulators have not forced Tesla to abandon their proprietary connector (vs. EU and China).With Nissan transitioning to CCS hopefully Tesla will start selling a CCS adapter for North america - Nissan Transitions To CCS For US And Europe, Dealing CHAdeMO A Fatal Blow