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5 days. I ordered on a Thur local time. Got a shipped email 5 days later. It arrived 2 days later, which was surprising, becuase the tracking said it wouldn't arrive until 4 days after I actually recieved it, which would've been on the following Monday... But when I got it, it said it arrived at LAX, around midnight. Cleared customs and left around 5am, then arrived on my doorstep by 10am, about 1000+ miles away. Seriously impressed....
Ordered that same day, sounds like it just takes them a few days to get them shipped.
I ordered on May 11th should be at my house the 19th or earlier according to DHL.
(Just in time for a road trip I might add lol...)
(Just in time for a road trip I might add lol...)
I'll put out the call here: please rate stations on Plugshare as you're testing them. I track station rankings for EA, EVGo (>70 kW), Electrify Canada, and for other networks via Plugshare averages, and having more data available as Teslas start to be able to use the CCS networks will help align those ratings with experience and get attention to Tesla driver's experiences on the networks from the network managers.
israndy
Supercharger Hunter
Are you saying we should use the Check In feature of Plugshare? Otherwise what do you mean by 'rate'? And how do you 'track'?
FalconFour
Member
Yeah, check-in = how to submit ratings
I try and do it fairly regularly, especially when I visit new stations, or when I'm feeling adventurous to try a station with a low score. Checking-in with your Tesla selected on CCS, sure to make an unusual double-take for those checking the ratings!
About once a week, I go to Plugshare, set up filters, and count how many stations meet a bunch of criteria based on their current ratings. So for instance, yesterday's EVGo data (>70 kW filter, then filtered by how many stations show at each Plugscore filter level):
0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | |
| Totals | 125 | 108 | 108 | 105 | 102 | 99 | 93 | 79 | 62 | 44 | 31 |
| Increment | 17 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 6 | 14 | 17 | 18 | 13 | 31 |
Same data for Electrify America (no power filter set since all EA stations are >70 kW capable nominally)
0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | |
| Totals | 764 | 747 | 746 | 744 | 743 | 739 | 721 | 701 | 651 | 536 | 457 |
| Increment | 17 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 18 | 20 | 50 | 115 | 79 | 457 |
Same for Electrify Canada (again, no filter on power):
0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | |
| Totals | 30 | 30 | 30 | 30 | 30 | 30 | 30 | 28 | 25 | 21 | 17 |
| Increment | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 17 |
Same for "all other CCS" with 70 kW filter set (i.e. all networks minus EVGo, EA, and Electrify Canada):
0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | |
| Totals | 581 | 452 | 442 | 438 | 429 | 420 | 407 | 384 | 352 | 296 | 234 |
| Increment | 129 | 10 | 4 | 9 | 9 | 13 | 23 | 32 | 56 | 62 | 234 |
By collecting that data every week or two and plotting over time, I can get a first look at how reliability changes and how the pace of new installs is going:
As you can see, since replacing all the eFadecs in the field in late 2020, EA's reliability has been pretty solid. EVGo's been stepping up the pace of new >70 kW sites, but they've still get gremlins to sort out on reliability. The more checkins people do, the better the data and the faster new station sites get their power and Plugscore loaded by Plugshare's back end--which means data for me to track, but also for everyone using Plugshare to plan trips themselves, and a way for the networks themselves to see they're getting new Tesla/CCS customers.
I really wish more people did that. I've been noticing some of the charge networks add notes that chargers don't work, but then forget to remove the note after fixing it.
I can't say too much, though. I usually forget to checkin too.
MikeGracz
Member
The shipped email from Tesla Korea shop came the same day I paid my invoice a Tuesday here, Wedneday. there. The shipped email from Harumio came Sunday for me, Monday for them. DHL called from my nearby city on Tuesday (one week out) for a USPS address; it was in my PO Box on Thursday. Nine days including a weekend.
Which is why I suspect that CCS is not actually going to be the general (non-Tesla) standard for all that long. As electric vehicles become more common, people are simply going to demand something better. And something better is definitely possible and will be offered, even if it won't mean adopting Tesla's approach.[...] The cable is way too dang big and chunky (my biggest complaint of CCS), but the communication pins (control pilot & ground) aren't likely going anywhere. It's a long pin in a socket - the more you bend it, the more it rams against the socket. The more it bends, the better connection it makes(for low-current signaling, at least - for anything high current, a solid, straight connection is much better!)
More likely, though, the handle latch poses a problem. Having the latch be the handle's responsibility was a big mistake (vs. Tesla's approach, and Type-2 and CCS2 overseas: the vehicle does the latching/locking). Many handles seem to have their "you're pushing the button" detection switch sprung way too tightly - so it's this pressure on the handle, and unawareness by the user that it actually matters, that causes the switch in the button to "click" when you're not pressing it, and the car/station think you're trying to unplug it.
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FalconFour
Member
CCS, the standard, is fine (enough*). The cable (not part of the standard, but simply what station manufacturers choose to implement) is the bulk of the problem - overly thick vs. what's needed. We'll likely end up seeing some pretty clever innovations in CCS cables, once Tesla starts putting CCS1 cables on Supercharger pedestals (dual-headed/two cables on each).
CCS is definitely here to stay (it won the VHS vs. Beta war against CHAdeMO pretty handily), and the longer it lasts, the better. We really don't need more plug confusion right now.
* - notwithstanding my opinions of the needless complexity of how many possible parameters there are, the fragile RF/Ethernet physical-layer comms, etc etc etc... it's maddeningly complex and a little fragile, but it's been smoothed out pretty well by vehicles & stations working a lot at smoothing the rough edges.
I also ordered on May 10 and got my ship notification today, the 16th. They definitely did not have them in inventory and had to wait a week for them to come in. I wrote to them and they explained that that was the case. They don't have a crate of them. It sounds like they continue to order them one by one. Just don't need the Tesla account/password anymore.
I doubt that. We already need DVDs and Blurays (faster charging). The need is already here for commercial vehicles and we're probably going to need it for passenger cars within 10 years. CCS will not be around for nearly as long as VHS was.
FalconFour
Member
It'll be around a lot longer than Tesla's proprietary connector will -- I'd love to see someone place bets on that
I'd put money on it.
Counting from now or counting from when each technology was developed to when it is replaced? TPC was developed years before CCS.It'll be around a lot longer than Tesla's proprietary connector will -- I'd love to see someone place bets on that
I'd put money on it.
FalconFour
Member
Counting from now! No squiggling around the "but TPC is older" bit - people are still whining that Tesla's connector is soOo much better So, equal ground!
Bet you anything that TPC dies first and we all get CCS - for light auto, at least. Obviously we're going to see wild new connectors for megawatt charging in the future... but I just think TPC is more on borrowed-time than CCS is.
So, equal ground!Bet you anything that TPC dies first and we all get CCS - for light auto, at least. Obviously we're going to see wild new connectors for megawatt charging in the future... but I just think TPC is more on borrowed-time than CCS is.
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
But I will bet that the dominant nextgen connector will be more the size of the Tesla one than the CCS.It'll be around a lot longer than Tesla's proprietary connector will -- I'd love to see someone place bets on that
I'd put money on it.
I doubt it. CCS and today’s Tesla plug can likely be stretched up to ~800 amps giving ~650 kW at 800V.
After that, the next generation plug will have to carry higher currents. A likely candidate is the Megacharger plug for large trucks and buses (today) which Tesla primarily designed for the Tesla Semi together with the CCS-promoting CharIN consortium. That allows for 3,000A at up to 1,500V for Semi trucks and less for locations dedicated for charging personal vehicles.
