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CCS adapter for Tesla: When's it gonna be?

Discussion in 'Supercharging & Charging Infrastructure' started by MarcoRP, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. MarcoRP

    MarcoRP @MontrealTesla

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    CHAdeMO are getting less and less popular with time and CCS are getting more and more popular. Tesla started by making the CHAdeMO adapter, but when is the the CCS? Right now, there are lots of BMW and VW dealers that offer free CCS Charging at 24kW and there are lots of brands that can use it, like BMW, Volkswagen, Chevrolet, Ford, Hyundai (which you may not have known about), and a minority of others. CHAdeMO, though, has only a few brands following left, despite it still composes the majority of fully electric vehicles, the CCS Chevrolet Bolt will soon be in first place. There are Nissan, KIA, Mitsubishi (not anymore), Tesla, and Toyota (with the RAV4 EV which you can get imported). Tesla did say that they would install both CCS and Tesla Plugs on their Superchargers, by when, I don't know. Does anyone have any intel about this?
     
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    This is not a Canada specific issue and there are many existing threads for discussing this.
     
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    Thread moved...
     
  4. Spectre

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    The Chad to Tesla adapter is a natural fit, the CCS is not. So I don't think you will ever see an adapter. That being said it seems the Chinese Tesla is get a "fuel door" with two connections so that could be something in the future. Eventually the Chad will go the way of the Betamax. my .02
     
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    Charging connector page, translated for us German challenged people:



    S&X cars delivered on/after February 1, 2019 will come with the adapter, at least in Germany.

    From the FAQ:


    So it sounds like the S&X are limited to 120kW because of the car, at least at this time, and the adapter might support more from how they worded it.

    I hope this means that a CCS adapter will be coming to North America soon.
     
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    Some sort-of bad news: Roland van der Put on Twitter

    So it sounds like two hurdles for the EU CCS adapters:
    1. They require a retrofit to the car.
    2. They have to be paired to the car. (So no loaning/sharing of adapters.)
     
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    Those two things together seem rather surprising.

    The retrofit to the car is not - one of the big challenges for this adapter compared with CHAdeMO is that CCS doesn't provide any significant amount of power on the connector until the charging session is in progress - there's no power to run any electronics in the adapter. So one of the obvious solutions was to put the electronics for the CCS protocol in the car, which can be an easy plug-in retrofit, leaving the adapter itself to be purely a mechanical adapter.

    But then if you've gone to that trouble and made it a pure mechanical adapter, then there's no possibility of 'pairing'.

    Possibly the 'pairing' is a miscommunication: if all the cars need upgrading, and the upgrade includes the adapter, then there'd be no point in hanging the adapters at the stations since any car that could use a shared adapter would already be carrying one of their own.
     
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    Sure there would. New cars will already come equipped with the new hardware, but not with the adapter, and people might not want to carry the adapter with them all the time.
     
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    Note that he wrote "Older Model S/X". May not be required for all existing cars.

    Speculation: the pairing could be required to support "plug and charge" billing, which will be mandatory in CCS 2.0 starting next year. It requires a unique identifier (and I believe cryptographic keys) for each car to authorize payment.
     
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    Here's a look at what the European CCS adapter looks like. The adapter plugs into a European Type 2 receptacle on the car that is standard for Model S and X and allows you to plug a CCS plug into the adapter.

    First look at Tesla’s highly-anticipated CCS adapter

    Now we just need one of these puppies for North America...
     
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    So much for the idea the CCS adapter would be another complex adapter like the CHAdeMO. It would be interesting to know what, if any, electronics are in the adapter.
     
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    Rumor is that cars will need a retrofit to be able to use the adapter and that they will be paired. (No sharing adapters.) So that may be where the electronics are. Maybe it will just be a new charge port module?
     
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    I noticed new European cars have a new code, CH09. Maybe that's the new charging module? We do know CHxx codes are charger related.
     
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    New information available about the CCS adapter in the EU: Supercharging

    €170 for the adapter and €330 extra if your S, or X, was built before 5/1/2019 and requires a retrofit to support it. So CCS support was added as part of the Raven updates. (200kW charging and PMSR front drive unit.)

     
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    Interesting info. So the communications would be handled by the car which is why the retrofit is needed, the adapter is a simple wire adapter, like the J1772. So theoretically they could have an "adapter" (barring Tesla licensing) but then you could have a tesla car plug in that is *not* compatible so who knows what would happen there. Hopefully nothing but would still be annoying. In fact it better be nothing, because you know someone will try the adapter without the retrofit.

    I have heard info back and forth about V1 versus V2 but the signaling is the same as far as I can see, so for the US it would be the same. Cars would either require a retrofit or the adapter would need to be considerably more complex to handle the communications, similar to the chademo connector.
     

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