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I am assuming that the chip shortage problem will be solved shortly. In fact I think it is solved now. Don't the currently VINs coming off the line have the chip? I thought the issue was during a short time period awhile back. They ought to be able to retro fit those models now.

As for the older models that need an ECU upgrade, why? They already paid their money and are no wore off than before. I'm looking at it from the future sales standpoint. In fact maybe those older model owners will be encouraged to upgrade the whole car. I wish I had a heated steering wheel and the gen 2 console but I'm not holding my breath expecting to get it.
 
Actually, not really. I've done the "run" with my wife three times; once in a Cape to AZ drive in our Bolt (ugh...), and a back and forth in our Tesla MY. Piece of cake. Lots and lots of SC stations out there. With the CCS adapter, well, it'll just be a tad easier.

Around every six months or so I rewrite my book on EVs and will add this trip as well.

Rich
 
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If you're coming up 95 along the east coast and through NJ on the turnpike be aware that one of the service areas with SCs is closed. Can't remember which one but I think a bit south of the Trenton area
Thanks for the info. I avoid 95 whenever possible. This trip (I vary our route just for fun) will take us from 10 to 25 to Albuquerque, then due east on 40, to 70, then 76, then 81 north to 287, over the Tappen Zee bridge and finally connect to 95 headed to the Cape. Around 2800 miles total.

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The CCS adapter being sold in Korea is a genuine Tesla adapter, if you were thinking otherwise...

The main reason I can think of to wait for the CCS adapter to be sold here is that it will probably sell for a bit less, maybe $250 to $275 I would guess. I'd be surprised if there were any major change to it.
Yes, I understood that. I just wondered if there would be some aftermarket option that did the same job that you can just buy over here now, and did the job as well. I understood that there might be some restriction in benefits from some of the other adapters where you might not be able to charge up to the full rate available at a supercharger. But maybe I read incorrectly.
 
Thanks for the info. I avoid 95 whenever possible. This trip (I vary our route just for fun) will take us from 10 to 25 to Albuquerque, then due east on 40, to 70, then 76, then 81 north to 287, over the Tappen Zee bridge and finally connect to 95 headed to the Cape. Around 2800 miles total.

Rich
I kind of do the reverse going out to my daughter's in Denver. 78->76-70->Denver pretty much. I haven't done it in the MY but plan to this September. Looks like SCs are decent all the way. But a bit sparse in the Denver area. My wife likes Drury hotels and I'm trying to encourage them to get destination charging but just boilerplate responses at this point.

BTW sounds like you've done it recent so you probably know that the TappanZee is gone and now you go over the Mario bridge
 
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Yes, I understood that. I just wondered if there would be some aftermarket option that did the same job that you can just buy over here now, and did the job as well. I understood that there might be some restriction in benefits from some of the other adapters where you might not be able to charge up to the full rate available at a supercharger. But maybe I read incorrectly.
I don't pretend to understand it but I think the SETEC one supposedly works on the older Teslas by talking CHaDEmo. I think it may have that lower power limit. But perhaps a good choice over forking out for an ECU upgrade
 
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I will just be interested probably in getting a Tesla one, or an equivalent one that can access the full juice available at whatever charger.

Do I remember you say you borrowed an adapter up at the reservation CCS chargers you used out in the middle no-supercharger land in central Idaho? I guess that is an option for me as well, as practically it is not something I will need all that often.
The Casino in Lewiston has a Tesla CHAdeMO adapter that you can borrow from the hotel front desk and use at their Chargepoint Charger. That charger has CHAdeMO and CCS (both 50 kW) connections.

I got myself a TESLA CCS but not the CHAdeMO adapter because usually if a place I would go (other than a car dealership) has CHAdeMO they have CCS and more of them. And generally CCS is more than 50kW.
 
Demand for the latest generation ECU that Tesla can't meet
Meh. I think that there's some other reason. Like, they worry that it would reduce demand at their Superchargers, which maybe make money or operate at a loss that would get worse if people went to CCS. I mean, they added heated wiper trays, which I would love to have, even though they don't have backwards solutions.
 
Yes, I understood that. I just wondered if there would be some aftermarket option that did the same job that you can just buy over here now, and did the job as well. I understood that there might be some restriction in benefits from some of the other adapters where you might not be able to charge up to the full rate available at a supercharger. But maybe I read incorrectly.
As Spokey said, the aftermarket CCS talks CCS via CHAdeMO and the software breaks with Tesla software updates. The Tesla CCS adapter sold out of South Korea is exactly (in English even) what Tesla will sell here if they ever decide to do it. It just works the way you would expect (accepting that it is an adapter and CCS machines aren't always high quality). The questions are whether and when Tesla USA will decide to sell the adapters, and what the difference in price might be. All to be answered in Elon time.
 
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You mention it's expensive. It that based on what you paid vs the build quality, or is it because you paid more (presumably, $45 v $25) because you ordered them individually rather than being able to bundle them?
Good question.
It is based on either purchase situation. At $25, if you could buy the Amazon one at $11 or $12, it's like getting 2 cases. You pay double for a fancy fit which is nice, but isn't necessary.
 
On a trip up to Kansas today. Pull into the Ardmore, OK Supercharger with 15% left. There are 10 cars in line. Open up Plugshare and there is a Electrify America charger 2 miles away.

Pull up to the EA charger and there is only 1 car there. Pull out my CCS adapter, and the car starts charging at 150kW. Head into Walmart, use the restroom, pick up a sandwich from the deli, and some snacks. Head back out to the car, by the time I finish eating the car is back up to 85%.

As I’m getting closer to Oklahoma City I need to use the restroom again. Figure I might as well pick up some more electrons while I stop. So find another EA charger in Moore. There was no one there. The first charger I pulled up to the card reader didn’t work. So I moved over and started charging. By the time I used the restroom and bought a drink I had enough charge to complete the rest of my journey.

Glad I have the CCS adapter. It opens open a lot of options. There is not a lot of choice for Superchargers in Oklahoma, and they are not in my normal stopping points. In the mean time I download the EA app and created an account. So when I stop on the way back it should be an easier process.
 
As Spokey said, the aftermarket CCS talks CCS via CHAdeMO and the software breaks with Tesla software updates. The Tesla CCS adapter sold out of South Korea is exactly (in English even) what Tesla will sell here if they ever decide to do it. It just works the way you would expect (accepting that it is an adapter and CCS machines aren't always high quality). The questions are whether and when Tesla USA will decide to sell the adapters, and what the difference in price might be. All to be answered in Elon time.
Elon time. LOL!
 
As Spokey said, the aftermarket CCS talks CCS via CHAdeMO and the software breaks with Tesla software updates. The Tesla CCS adapter sold out of South Korea is exactly (in English even) what Tesla will sell here if they ever decide to do it. It just works the way you would expect (accepting that it is an adapter and CCS machines aren't always high quality). The questions are whether and when Tesla USA will decide to sell the adapters, and what the difference in price might be. All to be answered in Elon time.
So I guess I will just get the CCS for now, and wait for the rest of it to shake out for now. Thanks. Not feeling like I need to shell out three hundred bucks or so for the very limited amount of times I will really need it.
 
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Yes, I understood that. I just wondered if there would be some aftermarket option that did the same job that you can just buy over here now, and did the job as well. I understood that there might be some restriction in benefits from some of the other adapters where you might not be able to charge up to the full rate available at a supercharger. But maybe I read incorrectly.​
All good questions. Here are some (preliminary) answers (subject to additional input from actual adapter users):

CCS1-ro-TPC (Tesla Proprietary Connector) Adapter Options
Provider​
Price​
Source(s)​
Pros​
Cons​
Tesla (South Korea)

Korea CCS Adapter.jpg
~$309+​
● Maximum 150-200 kW charge rates possible.
● Speeds greater than v2 Supercharger possible.
● Genuine Tesla product; characteristic Tesla quality.
● Relatively simple "pass-through" design--no battery or software.
● Can be used by (most) 2020 and newer Tesla cars.
● Purchased and successfully used by many North American drivers.
● May be released officially by Tesla in North America at any time.​
● Must order from Korea.
● Requires that car be CCS-"enabled."
● Pre-2020 and ~06/21-10/21 cars likely require ECU hardware retrofit ($140-$200+).
● Not as fast as v3 Supercharger.
● Not yet officially supported by Tesla of North America.​
SETEC/Lectron

SETEC CCS1 Aadapter.jpg
$640+​
● Early and timely availability.
● Provided access to previously unavailable
CCS1 charging equipment.
● Does not require CCS compatibility.​
● Relatively expensive. (Price has come down.)
● Large and "clumsy" design. (Strain put on charge port?)
● Maximum 50 kW charge rate (Models 3/Y).
● Battery-powered software-operated.
● Mimics CHAdeMO protocol (good and bad).
● Can be rendered incompatible by Tesla car software updates.
● Can require regular factory firmware updates.​
EVHub

EVHub CCS1 Aadapter.jpg
$525+​
● Maximum 150+ kW charge rates possible.
● Relatively simple "pass-through" design--no battery or software.
● Can be used by (most) 2020 and newer Tesla cars.​
● Relatively expensive.
● Must order from Ukraine.
● Due to Russia's unjustified war on Ukraine, orders may be delayed indefinitely.
● Requires that car be CCS-"enabled."
● Pre-2020 and ~06/21-10/21 cars likely require ECU hardware retrofit ($140-$200+).
● Not as fast as v3 Supercharger.
● Not yet officially supported by Tesla of North America.​
If your car is CCS-enabled, I think that the choice is clear-cut. Cars from 2021 that are not CCS-enabled probably require a relatively simple hardware exchange using a genuine OEM ECU part that can be ordered from Tesla. And older cars may be updated using DIY techniques successfully outlined here. However, if you prefer not to perform a non-Tesla-sanctioned retrofit, than the SETEC product is apparently a viable, well-tested, albeit expensive and slower, option. Or, if you happen to have or can purchase (a) a Tesla CHAdeMO adapter (new ones are available from Harumio in Korea) and (b) can still access CHAdeMO charging equipment along your travel routes, I hear that a CHAdeMO adapter will be roughly as fast as the SETEC adapter, though slower than any Supercharger, unfortunately.


 
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So I guess I will just get the CCS for now, and wait for the rest of it to shake out for now. Thanks. Not feeling like I need to shell out three hundred bucks or so for the very limited amount of times I will really need it.

Smart. The risk we early buyers take is that Tesla-North America will eventually offer the adapter for much less money. But that may not happen. Based on prior evidence, it can takes years for Tesla to lower the prices for charging accessories.

And there is the (in my mind very real) risk that when the adapter is finally offered on the Tesla-USA/Canada websites, it will be "Out of Stock" for long periods of time.
 
Meh. I think that there's some other reason. Like, they worry that it would reduce demand at their Superchargers, which maybe make money or operate at a loss that would get worse if people went to CCS. I mean, they added heated wiper trays, which I would love to have, even though they don't have backwards solutions.