As someone as mention UK / Europe cars already CCS. If I lived in South Korea I’d probably just want to swap out the charge port for the CCS version.
And then get an expensive adapter so you can still use the superchargers?
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As someone as mention UK / Europe cars already CCS. If I lived in South Korea I’d probably just want to swap out the charge port for the CCS version.
My Tesla has more range than my bladder. 300-mile range is no problem.What ICE car do you have that has a 700 mile range? Also your kids don't have to pee for over 8 hours?
Unless another major manufacture works with Tesla to use Tesla's plug, I don't see the Tesla connector being the standard when every other manufacture is using the CCS Combo 2 in the US already.
Sounds like you haven't been to some of the Superchargers along US 101 in CA. (I'm lookin' at you, Buellton, Atascadero, SLO!)while the destination charges can be hogged, super chargers can't be
The USA is driven by supply and demand. At some point these charging station will want to make money. If you owned a charging station and looked at this graph, what plug would you install?
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I would install CCS because the Tesla plugs only work on Teslas. CCS works with the other fast charge vehicles. The future of EVs will not just be Tesla cars so like I said, unless someone like Toyota works with Tesla so their future EVs can use the Tesla plug and the supercharger network, third party chargers will not really want to install Tesla plugs. There's just too many plugs, J1778, CCS-1, CCS-2, Chadamo, etc. As a third party charging company I can only install like 2 plugs per stall. I'm going to do J1778 and CCS-2 because that supports everyone else besides Teslas. Everyone else would be forced to use my station while Tesla owners have alternatives and don't really need my chargers.
I would install CCS because the Tesla plugs only work on Teslas. CCS works with the other fast charge vehicles. The future of EVs will not just be Tesla cars so like I said, unless someone like Toyota works with Tesla so their future EVs can use the Tesla plug and the supercharger network, third party chargers will not really want to install Tesla plugs. There's just too many plugs, J1778, CCS-1, CCS-2, Chadamo, etc. As a third party charging company I can only install like 2 plugs per stall. I'm going to do J1778 and CCS-2 because that supports everyone else besides Teslas. Everyone else would be forced to use my station while Tesla owners have alternatives and don't really need my chargers.
I would suggest installing J1772 instead of J1778.I would install CCS because the Tesla plugs only work on Teslas. CCS works with the other fast charge vehicles. The future of EVs will not just be Tesla cars so like I said, unless someone like Toyota works with Tesla so their future EVs can use the Tesla plug and the supercharger network, third party chargers will not really want to install Tesla plugs. There's just too many plugs, J1778, CCS-1, CCS-2, Chadamo, etc. As a third party charging company I can only install like 2 plugs per stall. I'm going to do J1778 and CCS-2 because that supports everyone else besides Teslas. Everyone else would be forced to use my station while Tesla owners have alternatives and don't really need my chargers.
I believe the 150kW CCS chargers are cooled. AFAIK, the limit for uncooled CCS and CHAdeMO cables is 200A. 200A @ 400V is about 80kW.Do you have a source for the adapter limitation being tied to liquid cooling? To my knowledge, the 150kW CCS units are not liquid cooled, just like the V2 Superchargers.
Sounds like you haven't been to some of the Superchargers along US 101 in CA. (I'm lookin' at you, Buellton, Atascadero, SLO!)
So you would open your business to cater to 10% of the market instead of 90% of the market. Got it... Good luck on your future business endeavors.
Here is an graphic for the people wondering what a CCS plug is like. Do you think they designed that with "expanding EV adoption" in mind?... Or made the largest ugliest plug they could design?
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That's correct. I was misremembering, both the 150kW and 350kW EA units have cooled cables.I believe the 150kW CCS chargers are cooled. AFAIK, the limit for uncooled CCS and CHAdeMO cables is 200A. 200A @ 400V is about 80kW.
That's correct. I was misremembering, both the 150kW and 350kW EA units have cooled cables.
Either way, the CCS2 adapter used in Europe pulls a demonstrated 368A, at least for a short period of time. That was good for 130 kW into a Model X in this video. And of course that adapter is not liquid-cooled.
EVgo has literally bolted a Tesla CHAdeMO adapter on the side of their stations. The only change is that the adapter has a long Tesla cable attached. So, of course, it has the same 125A limitation as the Tesla adapter you can buy. It doesn't matter though - the stations that use that bolted on adapter are already limited to 125A output, both CHAdeMO and CCS.I think the issue with not just adding a Tesla plug is having to work with Tesla. Even if Tesla doesn’t want a financial cut, I suspect they have terms they want to come to agreement on... just look at the partnership with EVGo to install Tesla plugs, EVGo had to change their pricing plan for Tesla users to just a basic per minute or per kWh cost with no “connection fee.” There obviously was some negotiation going on there... a plus for Tesla owners to have simple and clear fee structure... but probably a negative for EVGo (until they realize more people will use the chargers) and not just a “install every station with that plug” kind of thing....
Also to note, I believe the EVGo Tesla plugs are only 50kW... so basically a Chademo option without needing the adapter...