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CHAdeMO Make/Model Review — Using with a Tesla

cgiGuy

Active Member
Jul 9, 2013
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Everywhere, Nowhere
First experience with a Greenlots / Brightfield CHAdeMO charger. I scanned the QR code with the Greenlots app and it started charging, $1 minimum then $0.20/min ($12/hr) thereafter. I saw 147MPH with [email protected], around 45kW. But not before a few false starts. Got a "Remote Start Request Rejected" error, then "Alarm Occur, Emergency Stop" error. Turns out the emergency stop button had been pushed in - I gave it a quarter-turn and it popped out. Charging went fine thereafter.


Funny--same exact thing just happened to me at the Greenlots charger in Columbus, GA. That button needs to have glass in front of it or something. I'm pretty sure every kids that walks by sees a big red "push me" button.
 

SarahsDad

Member
Aug 2, 2013
475
3,384
NC
Some more info on the Greenlots/Brightfield chargers:

Here's a link to the 30 page charger manual -
http://gptechnology.com/sites/gptechnology.com/files/FC50K-CC-S%20Manual%28Nissan%29_v.09%202-2015.pdf
This helped me troubleshoot the errors I saw initially.

And the pricing policy here -

http://brightfieldts.com/dc-fast-charger-dcfc-pricing-policies-on-greenlots-network/
They claim "A Tesla Model S (85 kWh battery) will receive between 80%-100% in about 100 minutes = $20*"

My charging history is similar: 32kW in 43min for $8.72.
More expensive than charging at home but cheaper than gas...

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cwerdna

Active Member
Jul 11, 2012
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2,292
SF Bay Area, CA
What i did not explain well is how frustrating the non-intuitive method of connecting this CHAdeMO connector combined with the instructions written in Iconish with no supportive words was. I finally studied the diagram above, and figured out that you have to push the CHAdeMO connector in, then squeeze the large, lower level.
This is why anyone who has not used CHAdeMO before or hasn't used the early crap Yazaki CHAdeMO handles or has found them tricky should watch the 1st two (or maybe all 3) videos at CHAdeMO Make/Model Review — Using with a Tesla - Page 15 BEFORE charging ANY car w/CHAdeMO.

If you want to skip the chatter on all these, skip to ~0:40.
My charging history is similar: 32kWh in 43min for $8.72.
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FYP. The units in the screenshot are correct.
 

RiverBrick

Active Member
Mar 23, 2014
2,511
1,720
Mount Washington Valley
This is why anyone who has not used CHAdeMO before or hasn't used the early crap Yazaki CHAdeMO handles or has found them tricky should watch the 1st two (or maybe all 3) videos at CHAdeMO Make/Model Review — Using with a Tesla - Page 15 BEFORE charging ANY car w/CHAdeMO.

Correct handling of the many different CHAdeMO handle types is much more important for Model S than for the LEAF. There's even a case of a broken CHAdeMO handle at a Nissan dealer in South Burlington, Vermont where the station apparently still works for LEAFs, but not for Model S.

It is because the weight of the bulky head helps maintain the seal in the LEAF's port, since the pistol is inserted down into the car. With the Tesla adapter, the head is hanging upside down in the air, so any looseness in the connection is fatal.
 

SarahsDad

Member
Aug 2, 2013
475
3,384
NC
Tried out another Greenlots / Brightfield charger today in Matthews, NC. 45kW - [email protected] Got 15kWh in 20 minutes at a cost of $4.00.

Only problem - I got the same error I'd received at another Greenlots charger - Emergency Stop button had been pushed in and not reset. Had to twist the button until it popped out then charging commenced.

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wycolo

Active Member
May 16, 2012
3,068
423
WA & WY
I keep my Chademo Adapter in its shipping box so this box could be used to keep the Chad Plug off the ground. Maybe allow achieving better connection too.
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Dbitter1

Journeyman Member
Dec 12, 2014
202
6
Chicago, IL
Maybe I missed this in the thread... but at this point, the CHAdeMO adapters are open for all to purchase on the Tesla store. Mine is now on its way, no waitlist! :)
 

scott2613

Member
Jun 3, 2013
121
39
Wisconsin
We have the Nissan unit. I installed it myself (with a qualified electrical contractor). It's on a 400A 480V service and puts out 46kW. Located in Waukesha just west of Milwaukee.
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jbcarioca

Well-Known Member
Feb 3, 2015
5,164
24,317
Thanks to everyone for this thread. If I had only read it before i wen to use my new CHAdeMO adapter. It took me roughly ten minutes to understand the icons well enough to intuit the bizarre handle. After that the weight of all that gear seemed excessive so I have since supported it all by resting on the protective post in front of the charger. That works pretty well but I do keep the adapter shipping carton just in case I need it.
 

David99

Active Member
Jan 31, 2014
4,850
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Brea, Orange County
Successfully charged at 40 kW for one full hour at a Nissan branded CHAdeMO station in Los Angeles. It worked on the first try, no issues, no overheating, charged at the same power the entire session.
 

kk7p

Member
Oct 15, 2013
146
91
Tucson AZ
I just completed a 5,700 mile road trip that included a drive along the Oregon Coast. I found the AeroVironment CHAdeMO stations -- part of the West Coast Electric Highway -- to be easy to use and worked perfectly with the Tesla adapter. It is a bit cumbersome the first time since you have to provide all your billing information for your credit/debit card, but after that they just ask for name, charger number and CC number. The person on the phone stays online until the charging commences. The stations all seem to be 40 kW units. In one case the Tesla screen claimed the CHAdeMO adapter was overheating and ramped down to 30 kW, then 20 kW, then back up to 40 kW. This was in the sun on a nearly 100 degree Fahrenheit day -- a rarity in Oregon!

The fixed session cost is $7.50 regardless of the amount of energy you consume. In most sessions I stored about 60 kWh.

I used a total of four (4) CHAdeMO stations without any other issue.
 

Oba

Member
Jun 7, 2015
234
7
SoCal
You can pay $20 per month and have unlimited CHAdeMO charging on the West Coast Electric Highway at those AeroVironment chargers.

No phone calls, no credit cards every time. Just a simple fob.
 

RiverBrick

Active Member
Mar 23, 2014
2,511
1,720
Mount Washington Valley
You can pay $20 per month and have unlimited CHAdeMO charging on the West Coast Electric Highway at those AeroVironment chargers.

No phone calls, no credit cards every time. Just a simple fob.

As a contrast consider the hassle for a Canadian wishing to charge a Model S at NRG eVgo CHAdeMO stations :

1) They will not allow you to sign up for a card. (An apparent work-around is to use the address of a friend in the states, all the while using your correct telephone and credit card numbers).

2) You can purchase a 30-minute session for $9.99 by phone. Unfortunately, Canadians using the Tesla adapter are limited to 25 kW max at the Nissan brand CHAdeMO stations that eVgo favors. So, you might need seven phones calls, more than 3.5 hours, and $70 to fully charge your 85.
 

MarcG

Active Member
Oct 29, 2014
2,982
1,815
San Francisco
I charged over the weekend using a dual-plug ABB charger (much nicer CHAdeMO plug than Nissan's!) and got about 46 kW of peak power for most of the 30-minute charge:

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Cottonwood

Roadster#433, Model S#S37
Feb 27, 2009
5,088
166
Colorado
I charged over the weekend using a dual-plug ABB charger (much nicer CHAdeMO plug than Nissan's!) and got about 46 kW of peak power for most of the 30-minute charge:

Thanks for the nice review!

Where was that ABB unit located?

It's curious that you got 120 Amps and not 125 Amps...
 

MarcG

Active Member
Oct 29, 2014
2,982
1,815
San Francisco
Thanks for the nice review!

Where was that ABB unit located?

It's curious that you got 120 Amps and not 125 Amps...

Most welcome!

The ABB unit is located in the parking garage of the Whole Foods on Market st @ Dolores in San Francisco. It was recently installed right next to the Nissan CHAdeMO charger I posted about three months back (here: #125). They're both on NRG's eVgo network unfortunately (they still don't have an account login or mobile app...)

I never got 125A in the 30 minutes I was charging, but I did start around 70% charge, so perhaps the car limited current based on high SoC. I'll try again when I'm under 50% to see if I can get the full 125A.
 

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