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Installation on my system is scheduled for next Tuesday and excited about the process. Will be getting a 12kW system with 2 Powerwalls. Today, I have an EV vehicle and currently on EV2-A plan which has:

Off Peak: 12:00 AM - 3:00 PM
Partial Peak: 3:00 PM - 4:00 PM and 9:00 PM - Midnight
Peak: 4:00 PM - 9:00 PM

Did majority of you switch off this plan to their other TOU plans (E-TOU-C or E-TOU-D) or kept the plan as is?

I'm assuming that I'll switch to battery consumption whenever peak time is.
 
Installation on my system is scheduled for next Tuesday and excited about the process. Will be getting a 12kW system with 2 Powerwalls. Today, I have an EV vehicle and currently on EV2-A plan which has:

Off Peak: 12:00 AM - 3:00 PM
Partial Peak: 3:00 PM - 4:00 PM and 9:00 PM - Midnight
Peak: 4:00 PM - 9:00 PM

Did majority of you switch off this plan to their other TOU plans (E-TOU-C or E-TOU-D) or kept the plan as is?

I'm assuming that I'll switch to battery consumption whenever peak time is.
I do not believe you have a choice, have to be on ev2-a unless you are on medical baseline, then you get a choice
 
Installation on my system is scheduled for next Tuesday and excited about the process. Will be getting a 12kW system with 2 Powerwalls. Today, I have an EV vehicle and currently on EV2-A plan which has:

Off Peak: 12:00 AM - 3:00 PM
Partial Peak: 3:00 PM - 4:00 PM and 9:00 PM - Midnight
Peak: 4:00 PM - 9:00 PM

Did majority of you switch off this plan to their other TOU plans (E-TOU-C or E-TOU-D) or kept the plan as is?

I'm assuming that I'll switch to battery consumption whenever peak time is.
It depends on your goal and energy consumption pattern. I was switched to E-TOU-C after solar installation and stayed on it for more than a year, worked fine for me since I was on Self-Powered most of the year, PG&E would let me switch to E-TOU-D or EV2-A during that time but I did not bother. Then a few months ago I was told PG&E would give me $3400.00 SGIP rebate but I have to switch to EV2-A, I switched since it would not change my energy consumption pattern much. So now the car is scheduled to charge after midnight and I modified my peak as 3:00pm to 12:00 am and power the house with PWs during that time. If I were you I would stay on EV2-A for a while and see, you can always switch to E-TOU-C or E-TOU-D later as long as you do not take SGIP money.
 
I do not believe you have a choice, have to be on ev2-a unless you are on medical baseline, then you get a choice
If you are taking SGIP money for your Powerwalls then you need to be on EV2A, but otherwise you can be on E-TOU-C or E-TOU-D. E-TOU-C should be the better choice for solar customers as the overall rates are lower because you get a credit for being below the baseline amount. This more than offsets the 2 hour shorter Peak time (5-8pm vs 4-9pm) on E-TOU-D and not having Peak on the weekends. As my signature notes, I am on E-TOU-C.
 
When I changed rate schedules I was told if I could prove a medical baseline need, I could get on E-TOU-C, but that PGE wanted to put me on EV2A.

Looking at the numbers EV2A made more sense to me, for our usage patterns.
PG&E wanted you to go to EV2A or required you to go to EV2A unless you could prove otherwise?

I struggle to understand how EV2A provides a benefit unless you are have a very large amount used from 12:00am to 3:00pm and can avoid both Partial Peak and Peak from 3:00pm-12:00am with ESS.

Period
E-TOU-C
@ 0.5 * Baseline​
E-TOU-C
@ Baseline​
E-TOU-D​
EVA-2​
EV2A-ETOUC @ Base​
Summer Peak
0.38682​
0.40088​
0.47427​
0.55950​
0.15862​
Summer Part-Peak
0.44901​
0.11157​
Summer Off-Peak
0.32338​
0.33744​
0.33931​
0.24699​
-0.09045​
Winter Peak
0.28972​
0.30378​
0.38466​
0.43239​
0.12861​
Winter Part-Peak
0.41569​
0.12923​
Winter Off-Peak
0.27240​
0.28646​
0.34605​
0.24699​
-0.03947​

E-TOU-C is different from E-TOU-D and EVA-2 with the baseline component which gives you a credit for every kWh below the baseline and charge for every kWh over the baseline. If the baseline is 10.3 kWh day and the period is 30 days then that baseline for the month is 309 kWh. If your net imports/exports is 309 kWh then the credit/charge is $0 to the baseline. If you used only 150 kWh then you would get a credit of (309-150) * $0.02812 = $4.47. If you used 500 kWh then you get a charge of (500-309) * $0.06242 = $11.92. I think that most people with solar should be below the baseline and near the baseline in Dec/Jan.

Looking at the difference between the EV2A and E-TOU-C at the baseline there is a steep penalty for EV2-A with the longer Partial Peak and Peak during both Summer and Winter. EV2A has a good benefit for the 12:00am-3:00pm period during the Summer, but it Winter it becomes marginal and the lower solar generation will make it difficult to get through the higher rate period from 3:00pm-12:00am. If you can charge from the grid during Off-Peak during the Winter then the EV2A might be a winner

E-TOU-D is a tariff that should be avoided for solar customers.
 
PG&E wanted you to go to EV2A or required you to go to EV2A unless you could prove otherwise?

I struggle to understand how EV2A provides a benefit unless you are have a very large amount used from 12:00am to 3:00pm and can avoid both Partial Peak and Peak from 3:00pm-12:00am with ESS.

Period
E-TOU-C
@ 0.5 * Baseline​
E-TOU-C
@ Baseline​
E-TOU-D​
EVA-2​
EV2A-ETOUC @ Base​
Summer Peak
0.38682​
0.40088​
0.47427​
0.55950​
0.15862​
Summer Part-Peak
0.44901​
0.11157​
Summer Off-Peak
0.32338​
0.33744​
0.33931​
0.24699​
-0.09045​
Winter Peak
0.28972​
0.30378​
0.38466​
0.43239​
0.12861​
Winter Part-Peak
0.41569​
0.12923​
Winter Off-Peak
0.27240​
0.28646​
0.34605​
0.24699​
-0.03947​

E-TOU-C is different from E-TOU-D and EVA-2 with the baseline component which gives you a credit for every kWh below the baseline and charge for every kWh over the baseline. If the baseline is 10.3 kWh day and the period is 30 days then that baseline for the month is 309 kWh. If your net imports/exports is 309 kWh then the credit/charge is $0 to the baseline. If you used only 150 kWh then you would get a credit of (309-150) * $0.02812 = $4.47. If you used 500 kWh then you get a charge of (500-309) * $0.06242 = $11.92. I think that most people with solar should be below the baseline and near the baseline in Dec/Jan.

Looking at the difference between the EV2A and E-TOU-C at the baseline there is a steep penalty for EV2-A with the longer Partial Peak and Peak during both Summer and Winter. EV2A has a good benefit for the 12:00am-3:00pm period during the Summer, but it Winter it becomes marginal and the lower solar generation will make it difficult to get through the higher rate period from 3:00pm-12:00am. If you can charge from the grid during Off-Peak during the Winter then the EV2A might be a winner

E-TOU-D is a tariff that should be avoided for solar customers.


EV2A isnt an amazing rate schedule, it is pretty rough. PGE required it unless I could prove medical need. We weren't sure if our medical needs counted and the easy decision was that EV2A seemed to pencil out slightly better with heavy PV production and EV charging overnight.

We have internal software that compares green button data, with the various rate schedules updated somewhat regularly.

Since I plan on doubling the size of my PV system, this meant that EV2A was a small winner overall. It still doesn't feel like a "win" though.

I wasn't aware that SGIP might have required EV2A, but I might have missed that.
 
PG&E wanted you to go to EV2A or required you to go to EV2A unless you could prove otherwise?

I struggle to understand how EV2A provides a benefit unless you are have a very large amount used from 12:00am to 3:00pm and can avoid both Partial Peak and Peak from 3:00pm-12:00am with ESS.

Period
E-TOU-C
@ 0.5 * Baseline​
E-TOU-C
@ Baseline​
E-TOU-D​
EVA-2​
EV2A-ETOUC @ Base​
Summer Peak
0.38682​
0.40088​
0.47427​
0.55950​
0.15862​
Summer Part-Peak
0.44901​
0.11157​
Summer Off-Peak
0.32338​
0.33744​
0.33931​
0.24699​
-0.09045​
Winter Peak
0.28972​
0.30378​
0.38466​
0.43239​
0.12861​
Winter Part-Peak
0.41569​
0.12923​
Winter Off-Peak
0.27240​
0.28646​
0.34605​
0.24699​
-0.03947​

E-TOU-C is different from E-TOU-D and EVA-2 with the baseline component which gives you a credit for every kWh below the baseline and charge for every kWh over the baseline. If the baseline is 10.3 kWh day and the period is 30 days then that baseline for the month is 309 kWh. If your net imports/exports is 309 kWh then the credit/charge is $0 to the baseline. If you used only 150 kWh then you would get a credit of (309-150) * $0.02812 = $4.47. If you used 500 kWh then you get a charge of (500-309) * $0.06242 = $11.92. I think that most people with solar should be below the baseline and near the baseline in Dec/Jan.

Looking at the difference between the EV2A and E-TOU-C at the baseline there is a steep penalty for EV2-A with the longer Partial Peak and Peak during both Summer and Winter. EV2A has a good benefit for the 12:00am-3:00pm period during the Summer, but it Winter it becomes marginal and the lower solar generation will make it difficult to get through the higher rate period from 3:00pm-12:00am. If you can charge from the grid during Off-Peak during the Winter then the EV2A might be a winner

E-TOU-D is a tariff that should be avoided for solar customers.
We had SGIP for the Powerwall installation, and PG&E sent a letter telling us that they would not release the funds unless we switched from our prior tariff to EV2-A or, if we could prove medical need, TOU-C. We ran the numbers, and for us, like @Vines, EV2-A was slightly better, until we become significant consumers of electricity. The baseline low rate of TOU-C works against you in generating credits, if you aren't a net exporter. And, yes, we do not use any power peak, nor part-peak year round, and only consume off peak November through February, when winter off-peak car charging dominates our energy use. So, perhaps not "typical".

Our prior rate had earlier peak hours, which meant more of our solar power was exported during peak hours, but with storage, we basically shift our off peak solar kWhs to peak kWhs by taking the 10% loss through the Powerwalls to use the stored solar during power part-peak and peak time periods. The powerwalls fill during the morning off peak hours. Does that help make sense of why EV2-A isn't so bad, despite the high rates?

All the best,

BG
 
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It depends on your goal and energy consumption pattern. I was switched to E-TOU-C after solar installation and stayed on it for more than a year, worked fine for me since I was on Self-Powered most of the year, PG&E would let me switch to E-TOU-D or EV2-A during that time but I did not bother. Then a few months ago I was told PG&E would give me $3400.00 SGIP rebate but I have to switch to EV2-A, I switched since it would not change my energy consumption pattern much. So now the car is scheduled to charge after midnight and I modified my peak as 3:00pm to 12:00 am and power the house with PWs during that time. If I were you I would stay on EV2-A for a while and see, you can always switch to E-TOU-C or E-TOU-D later as long as you do not take SGIP money.

How many PW you have? I'm going to have 2 PW. That should be sufficient to run off battery from 3:00 PM - 12:00 AM right? I guess once I get the system live I can see how long the PW batteries will last me. It'd be great if I could last from 3:00 PM to the next day when the PV system starts generating power to cover use and start recharging.
 
How many PW you have? I'm going to have 2 PW. That should be sufficient to run off battery from 3:00 PM - 12:00 AM right? I guess once I get the system live I can see how long the PW batteries will last me. It'd be great if I could last from 3:00 PM to the next day when the PV system starts generating power to cover use and start recharging.
Just a baseline comparison for you, I have 2 PWs, we have no AC and our daily energy consumption is only around 18 kWh. These days our PWs power the house from 3:00pm to 12:00am using about 30% or less of total capacity. I’m close to the coast so marine layer is a fact of life, the 2 PWs usually get charged back to 100% before 11:00am from March to September if the sky is relatively clear, on overcast days it may take up to almost 3:00pm to get to 100%. Can you not download your data from PG&E to check your current average daily consumption from 3:00pm to 12:00am?
 
Just a baseline comparison for you, I have 2 PWs, we have no AC and our daily energy consumption is only around 18 kWh. These days our PWs power the house from 3:00pm to 12:00am using about 30% or less of total capacity. I’m close to the coast so marine layer is a fact of life, the 2 PWs usually get charged back to 100% before 11:00am from March to September if the sky is relatively clear, on overcast days it may take up to almost 3:00pm to get to 100%. Can you not download your data from PG&E to check your current average daily consumption from 3:00pm to 12:00am?

If I've done this right, taking usage data from 15:00 - 23:45 (3:00 PM - 11:45 PM) then on average I'm looking at something like this from the last 4 months of data which was high AC use. I try to keep AC off during these times. June is likely when I was actually running AC during peak periods and why it is a high average. My understanding is a PW has 13.5kWh capacity but reserves 10% so 12.15 * 2 = 24.3kWh. Based on these numbers I should be fine.

- May - 7,2kWh
- June - 14.52kWh
- July - 7.4kWh
- August - 9.4kWh

Out of curiosity, I applied the same methodology to cover 00:00 - 9:00 (Midnight - 9:00 AM) and 15:00 - 23:45 (3:00 PM - 11:45 PM) to see if I'd be able to last on battery from peak (3 PM) to 9 AM the next day. My guess is the PV system will generate power prior to 9:00 AM, but just curious. This also includes where I'm charging the car after midnight, but I don't charge every night and is why the average is as such. When I get my PV system live, it may make sense to charge during the day since I work from home.

- May - 18kWh
- June - 23kWh
- July - 16.5kWh
- August - 20.82kWh
 
If I've done this right, taking usage data from 15:00 - 23:45 (3:00 PM - 11:45 PM) then on average I'm looking at something like this from the last 4 months of data which was high AC use. I try to keep AC off during these times. June is likely when I was actually running AC during peak periods and why it is a high average. My understanding is a PW has 13.5kWh capacity but reserves 10% so 12.15 * 2 = 24.3kWh. Based on these numbers I should be fine.

- May - 7,2kWh
- June - 14.52kWh
- July - 7.4kWh
- August - 9.4kWh

Out of curiosity, I applied the same methodology to cover 00:00 - 9:00 (Midnight - 9:00 AM) and 15:00 - 23:45 (3:00 PM - 11:45 PM) to see if I'd be able to last on battery from peak (3 PM) to 9 AM the next day. My guess is the PV system will generate power prior to 9:00 AM, but just curious. This also includes where I'm charging the car after midnight, but I don't charge every night and is why the average is as such. When I get my PV system live, it may make sense to charge during the day since I work from home.

- May - 18kWh
- June - 23kWh
- July - 16.5kWh
- August - 20.82kWh
Looks like you are good to go, I think your PV system would start powering the house from 7:00am most days year round unless you have the AC blasting that early.