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Changing CA use tax policy - worth pursuing?

Discussion in 'California' started by adiggs, May 3, 2013.

  1. adiggs

    adiggs Active Member

    Sep 25, 2012
    Portland, OR
    I'm wondering whether people in California think it would be worth agitating for a modification to how California thinks about and collects Use Tax on vehicle sales. As we know, the current policy amounts to a "no-out-of-state driver pickup at the factory" policy (first charged CA sales tax, and then get to pay sales tax again in the state the car gets registered in).

    As an out-of-stater, that's annoying as I would like the option to pickup my new Model X at the factory, get the tour, and go on a bit of a road trip to return home (especially once the supercharger network is built out).

    But enough about me - it seems to me that the policy is also costing California sales tax and other tourism related economic benefits. If California had an option to not collect sales tax on car purchases that will be registered out of state, then you would create the possibility of that whole pickup-new-car at the factory tourism business. As Tesla begins shipping cars to Europe and Asia, why not make California a destination for vacationing families from Europe and Asia who come to America to pickup their car, drive it around for a few weeks (mostly in California), seeing the sights, visiting theme parks, etc.. As people do with European cars, then take them to a third party, or back to Tesla, to package up the car and ship it "home". Sounds a lot like the BMW and other European manufacturer experience doesn't it? Except now it's happening in California primarily (good excuse for a Supercharger over Grand Canyon way, and other fantastic West Coast sights).

    For those of us living in the states, some number would use this as an opportunity for an EV road trip. And every one of those road trips and vacations would start in California.

    As an outsider, it looks to me like California is intentionally trying to keep this cottage industry from coming into existence, and that doesn't seem smart.

    Heck - make it a special case - that car manufacturers making a sale of a new car that will be registered out of state, have access to a new temporary tag (say 3 weeks) that can't be renewed, and which doesn't carry Use Tax consequences. The California DMV can even collect a few bucks that aren't otherwise available.
  2. Lloyd

    Lloyd Well-Known Member

    Jan 12, 2011
    San Luis Obispo, CA
    I made the same argument in another thread about the time that deliveries started, and suggested that we could write our repsenatives. Everyone I wrote thought it was a good idea, but I believe it will need some push from Tesla to make it happen.

    Here is a list to begin:

    California Senators

    Senator Barbara Boxer
    Tel: (202) 224-3553

    Senator Dianne Feinstein
    Tel: (202) 224-3841

    San Francisco Congressional Representative

    8th District: San Francisco
    Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi
    Washington DC Office: (202) 225-4965
    District Office: (415) 556-4862

    If you are not a San Francisco constituent of Congresswoman Pelosi's, but wish to contact her in the context of her role as Speaker of the House, use this form: Contact the Speaker |

    Bay Area Congressional Representatives

    6th District: Marin County and Sonoma County
    Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey
    Washington DC Office: (202) 225-516
    Marin Office: (415) 507-9554
    Sonoma Office: (415) 507-9601

    7th District: Richmond, San Pablo, Martinez, Benicia, Pittsburg, Concord (see district map)
    Congressman George Miller
    Washington DC Office: (202) 225-2095
    Concord Office: (925) 602-1880
    Richmond Office: (510) 262-6500
    Vallejo Office: (707) 645-1888

    9th District: Albany, Berkeley, Emeryville, Oakland, Piedmont, Ashland, Castro Valley (see district map)
    Congresswoman Barbara Lee
    Washington DC Office: (202) 225-2661
    District Office: (510) 763-0370

    10th District: Parts of Solano, Contra Costa, Alameda, and Sacramento Counties (see district map)
    Congresswoman Ellen Tauscher
    Washington DC Office: (202) 225-1880
    Walnut Creek Office: (925) 932-8899
    Antioch Office: (925) 757-7187

    11th District: Danville, San Ramon, Dublin Pleasanton (see district map)
    Congressman Jerry McNerney
    Washington DC Office: (202) 225-1947
    Pleasanton Office: (925) 737-0727
    Stockton Office: (209) 476-8552

    12th District: South San Francisco, San Mateo County (see district map
    Congresswoman Jackie Speier
    Washington DC Office: (202) 225-3531
    San Mateo Office: (650) 342-0300

    13th District: Alameda, San Leandro, Hayward, Union City, Fremone (see district map
    Congressman Pete Stark
    Washington DC Office: (202) 225-5065
    Fremont Office: 510-494-1388

    14th District: Portions of San Mateo, Santa Clara and Santa Cruz Counties(see district map)
    Congresswoman Anna Eshoo
    Washington DC Office: (202) 225-8104
    Palo Alto Office: (650) 323-2984 or (408) 245-2339

    15th District: Much of the central, northeastern and southwestern area of Santa Clara County (see district map
    Congressman Mike Honda
    Washington DC Office: (202) 225-2631
    Campbell Office: (408) 558-8085

    Don't forget Jerry Brown (Gov)
  3. ZBB

    ZBB Emperor

    Feb 27, 2013
    That's the exact reason why Euro Delivery is a business model for BMW and MB (others too). I did Euro Delivery on a BMW once and it was a great vacation -- drove from Munich to Amsterdam.

    CA should adopt it -- even if its just for factory deliveries to out of state buyers (not any car bought at a CA dealership).
  4. mcornwell

    mcornwell Active Member

    Dec 20, 2010

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