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Charged with CA plug finally

Discussion in 'Model S: Battery & Charging' started by Cosmacelf, May 3, 2015.

  1. Cosmacelf

    Cosmacelf Active Member

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    A while ago I bought a California style plug to NEMA 14-50 adapter for possible use at horse shows that I frequently attend. I was at one this weekend and as I looked up from our barn stall area I found such a receptacle attached to a rafter.

    Here it is with the adapter plugged in:

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    First time I've been able to use this adapter and of course this horse show was 10 minutes from my house so I didn't need the charge.

    I got a nice 40 amps at 240v from it when I tested it.

    Question for the electricians out there. This is a large facility and I know they have to have three phase power running through it (Del Mar Fairgrounds) but the car initially sensed 246 volts which went down to 240v under load. How was it not 208v?

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  2. SomeJoe7777

    SomeJoe7777 Marginally-Known Member

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    3-phase power doesn't have to be 208V, although it's pretty common. It depends on how the system is connected and what transformers are in use.

    The most common is a transformer that takes 3-phase 480V input and outputs 3-phase from a wye configuration, which has a center neutral. The phase voltages are 120 V (hot-to-neutral), and the line voltages are 208 V (hot-to-hot).

    But an alternate way to do it is to connect 3 separate 1-phase transformers with an output center tap in a delta configuration on the output. This gives you 3 hots and 3 neutrals out. Line voltage is 240 V (hot-to-hot), and 120 V hot-to-neutral. This is more complicated to wire, and the neutrals must be separated and kept together only with their matching 2 hots (i.e. 3 separate 240V/120V panels).

    A 3rd way to do it is if the 240V/120V loads are very small compared to the 3-phase 480V loads, then a single 1-phase transformer with a center tap can be used to provide 240V/120V service. This unbalances the 480V load on 2 phases, but if the unbalance is small it's not a problem.
     
  3. CHG-ON

    CHG-ON Still in love after all these miles

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    I live in CA and am using a NEMA 14-50. But I didn't realize that there was a CA style plug. I was at my nephew's a week ago and wanted to plug into their dryer outlet, but the plug was different from mine at home. One connector was a L-shaped prong. The adaptor I have came with the car and has a straight blade prong in that position.

    If anybody can educate me, that would be awesome. I thought I was covered, but apparently I am not. I am also wondering where you got that adaptor.

    Many thanks!
     
  4. miimura

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    Likely a 14-30. Tesla no longer sells an adapter for that socket. It's a shame, it's probably one of the most common 240V sockets you'll find.

    NEMA connector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  5. davewill

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    It could also be a NEMA 10-30:
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    It's a 30a 240v dryer outlet. It is obsolete and can no longer be installed on new circuits. You can only use them to replace existing 10-30s. Tesla sells an adapter for the mobile connector for it. Unfortunately, as noted above, they no longer sell the 14-30 adapter.

    Tesla Gear Shop NEMA 10-30
     
  6. Dbitter1

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  7. FlasherZ

    FlasherZ Sig Model S + Sig Model X + Model 3 Resv

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    Three-phase power comes in a number of different configurations: Wye (which is the common in residential situations where you have a lot of 120V loads), corner-grounded delta, and "wild leg"/"high leg" delta. Delta is used when you have more industrial / higher-voltage L-L loads. If it's a high-leg delta, you can get 3 voltages - 120V (neutral to L1 and neutral to L3), 240V (L1-L2, L2-L3, L1-L3), and 208V (neutral to L2, but this is very rarely used because it's limited to between 5% and 10% of transformer capacity). These delta voltages assume 240V L-L, of course.

    See Three-phase electric power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for more information.
     
  8. Cosmacelf

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    Yes, that's the adapter I used. Big, beefy, and works well. At least here in California, largish construction job sites use spider boxes with those plugs as interconnects. I'm surprised I haven't heard of any contractors making use of one of these for job site charging. I guess they all drive pickups!
     
  9. Cosmacelf

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    Tesla used to sell that adapter (likely a NEMA 14-30 as others have pointed out), but for some mysterious reason, doesn't anymore. You can either buy or make an adapter for it, though. Check out http://cosmacelf.net/Home%20Made%20Adapters.pdf which will give you links to where you can buy adapters.
     
  10. FlasherZ

    FlasherZ Sig Model S + Sig Model X + Model 3 Resv

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    The reason isn't really mysterious, the adapters just didn't have the sales numbers to keep them managed (stock-wise).

    I've asked if Tesla would consider sharing their engineering specs / diagrams for a third party to produce them, but as you can imagine I don't think they're interested. I think it would be extremely valuable, both to a third-party parts company as well as Tesla, for the adapters to be available.

    Unfortunately, I think it will take someone burning down their house using some stupid combination of a homemade adapter, a quick 220 box, 2 cheap extension cords, and the 14-50 Tesla adapter before Tesla will consider it important enough to have the wide variety of adapters available. :(
     
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    I thought it was because they didn't want to bother with redesigning it like they had to with the 14-50. When they announced the recall, at least one other adapter besides the 14-50 was immediately pulled. I thought it was the 14-30.
     
  12. NigelM

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    The SS2-50 is common in marinas (not specific to California) although the locations are usually on docks and tough to get your car alongside if you're not in underwater mode. Marine supply stores do sometimes carry longer cables up to 50' although unless you need them regularly it's unlikely to be worth the investment.

    FWIW, we also attend lots of horse shows and (in FL at least) they all have NEMA14-50 outlets for the RVs and trailers; I've never had a problem finding one spare to plug in either Model S or Roadster, usually free just by asking nicely or perhaps paying $5 at the show office.
     
  13. FlasherZ

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    I don't recall any of them being pulled. I know there was concern whether the 6-50 was affected by the same heat problem with the rev 1 adapters because it was at the same amount of current, but it was already slated to be discontinued over volume anyway, from what I understand.

    None of the lower current adapters were affected by the recall, they were just discontinued because of the volume. I suspect the 5-20 and 10-30 will go that way soon, so if you haven't gotten yours, do so.
     
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    I really don't understand what sales volume they think they need in order justify stocking them. Clearly there is already tooling available, just make a run and leave it in a warehouse for fulfillment through the web shop only. I can understand not making them available at every service center, but how much can it really cost to make a batch and keep it in inventory for sale through the web store? IMHO, there is no excuse for retiring the 6-50 and 14-30 adapters that already existed unless there is a new design forthcoming for the adapter interface.
     
  15. Cosmacelf

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    I did ask Tesla via email about the discontinuance of the 14-30, emphasizing how often people used it (backed up by my surveys), and they said they understood. The implication was that perhaps a redesigned adapter was in the works. My guess is that a UMC version 2 will ship with the Model X, which will have a hardier adapter coupling.
     
  16. Cottonwood

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    The California connector is also commonly used for event and construction power as well as the output for high power generators. I have a 14-50 for a spider box (ie: Coleman Cable 1970 Xtreme Box Straight Blade Portable Power Distributor) and CA to 14-50 just in case I need power at an event and can tap into such a setup.
     
  17. FlasherZ

    FlasherZ Sig Model S + Sig Model X + Model 3 Resv

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    Perhaps, although that wouldn't be a good reason to discontinue the adapters as early as they did.
     
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    This is really where I see frustration with this. Make it web-only, whenever you get to X number of orders (above anything already in stock), make a batch and ship them out. I can understand them saying they don't keep it on-hand and would only manufacture them in batches on-demand, but completely eliminating the option just doesn't make sense to me. A lack of such adapters is a hindrance in EV adoption b/c people inherently don't want to pay to redo electrical work that could work just fine.
     
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    IMO, your statement is spot on !
     
  20. Ingineer

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    You can safely cut the bottom pin off the 14-50 adapter. It is an unused neutral pin, (no electrical connection inside the adapter) and this is the only difference between a 14-30, 14-50, and 14-60, so once removed it'll now fit all 3 outlets. Just be sure you dial your amps down to 24 if you are using a 14-30 to avoid overloading the circuit.
     

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