Charging a model 3 in Europe

[thanar]

In preparation of You You Xue's newest endeavor to road trip around Europe with his US model 3, and since he will (possibly) be visiting my place as well for charging, I thought I'd ask for some information on supported AC charging modes.

I do not have a Tesla yet, but many people have visited and successfully charged their EVs using the 3phase 220V/16A CEE plug I have installed. 3 visiting model S and a Renault ZOE managed to get full 11kW of charging power, I don't remember the case with a Nissan Leaf.

So, the question in context: What's the fastest way a US model 3 can charge in Europe?

 

[CO2CLEAN]

In preparation of You You Xue's newest endeavor to road trip around Europe with his US model 3, and since he will (possibly) be visiting my place as well for charging, I thought I'd ask for some information on supported AC charging modes.

I do not have a Tesla yet, but many people have visited and successfully charged their EVs using the 3phase 220V/16A CEE plug I have installed. 3 visiting model S and a Renault ZOE managed to get full 11kW of charging power, I don't remember the case with a Nissan Leaf.

So, the question in context: What's the fastest way a US model 3 can charge in Europe?

I believe the US spec has only a 1 phase charger, since that is the standard in the US. Also, the Supercharger plug is different. I'm curious how he will make sure he can charge his car in the EU without it taking too long.

 

[davewill]

CHAdeMO, with the adapter. At your place, the best they could manage would be 220v 16a or 3.5kW. At a 32a public charging point it would be double that. Are you sure that isn't 230v, which is more normal in Europe? Anyway, The normal way to charge a US spec car would be to use a Type 1 (J1772) adapter cable (like a LEAF would use) with the J1772 to TESLA adapter at a public charge station. I think your home station is likely to have the cable integrated, which means that it would require some sort of custom adapter.

 

[MikeBur]

CHAdeMO, with the adapter. At your place, the best they could manage would be 220v 16a or 3.5kW. At a 32a public charging point it would be double that. Are you sure that isn't 230v, which is more normal in Europe? Anyway, The normal way to charge a US spec car would be to use a Type 1 (J1772) adapter cable (like a LEAF would use) with the J1772 to TESLA adapter at a public charge station. I think your home station is likely to have the cable integrated, which means that it would require some sort of custom adapter.

I don’t believe CHAdeMO is enabled still for 3. At least not on 18.4.9.

Watching thread to understand what SpC options there are

 

[Yggdrasill]

With a Type 2 -> Type 1 cable and a J1772 -> Tesla adapter, you can charge at approximately 7.4 kW at 22 kW Type 2 charging stations.

This is probably the easiest and most abundant available charging.

 

[MP3Mike]

My understanding is that he has found someone to make a custom EU type2 port to US Tesla port adapter, so that he can use the Supercharger network.

 

[TonyWilliams]

DC fast charging

Even with an adaptor that allows the North America specification Model 3 (or any Tesla) to physically plug into a European Supercharger with Mennekes Type 2 style plug, the car is not going to charge.

I would wait until the CHAdeMO adaptor is working. Any CHAdeMO station will be limited to 125 amps with the Tesla / CHAdeMO adaptor, therefore the maximum charge rate will likely be 48-50kW.

This will add about 3 miles per minute.

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AC charging

The adaptor from Type 1 to Type 2 is simple enough, to allow:

11kW station = 230v * 16 amps = 3.5kW into the single phase Tesla charger = 10-15 miles per hour added

22kW station = 230v * 32 amps = 7kW into the single phase Tesla charger = 20-30 miles per hour added

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Painfully slow Type 1

Using a Type 1 (J1772) charge station at 13 amps? with the US specification J1772 adaptor would be painfully slow, but easy.

 

[MP3Mike]

DC fast charging

Even with an adaptor that allows the North America specification Model 3 (or any Tesla) to physically plug into a European Supercharger with Mennekes Type 2 style plug, the car is not going to charge.

Are you sure about that? We have reports of people doing that with the Model S and it working.

 

[davewill]

Are you sure about that? We have reports of people doing that with the Model S and it working.

Where did you see THAT? The only thing I've seen is a photo of an adapter that a Tesla employee supposedly had. No first hand reports.

 

[TonyWilliams]

Are you sure about that? We have reports of people doing that with the Model S and it working.

I am sure that I’ve never seen a US spec Tesla charge (actual charging, which is different than plugging in) in Europe on a Tesla Supercharger.

 

[DavideTheBest]

So right now if I use a EU public charging station to recharge my Tesla Model 3 made in US what's the fastest charging rate I can get? 45km per hour? Is it possible to have some other charging stations at faster rate? I haven't shipped the car but it will be something happening at the beginning of 2019

 

[MP3Mike]

So right now if I use a EU public charging station to recharge my Tesla Model 3 made in US what's the fastest charging rate I can get? 45km per hour? Is it possible to have some other charging stations at faster rate?

That is my understanding. Maybe by then Tesla will have added support to the Model 3 for the CHAdeMO adapter, and you could buy one of them and then use CHAdeMO stations in the EU.

 

[miimura]

I am sure that I’ve never seen a US spec Tesla charge (actual charging, which is different than plugging in) in Europe on a Tesla Supercharger.

Evidence, such as it is, is here: Super Charger Adapter for US cars in Europe

 

[Matias]

What is Model 3 onboard charger Europe version specs? I’m thinking about type 2 ac charging speed.

 

[Matias]

"Tesla advises the Tesla Wall Connector as the most convenient home charging solution for your Model 3.
So indeed, the same charging station will work for the Model 3, as it does for Model S&X.
The Model 3 allows a maximum charge rate of 11kW, which equals an added range of about 60km/h. Both 1-phase as well as 3-phase connection is possible.
This enables you to wake up with a fully charged Model 3 every morning!"

Sad thing is, that Teslas don’t come anymore with the three phase red industrial socket mobile connector, but only with 1 phase 16 amp plug.

 

[Alfred]

I have not yet seen what the EU-Versions will sport as a cable set. I would anyway consider buying a travel set such as the one below (or some of that):

 

[Matias]

As I wrote, Teslas don’t come anymore with the three phase UMC, but only one phase UMC