I pay on,y 13¢ per KWH on Cape Cod in Massachusetts, so it is much cheaper tan Gasoline at $3.50 per gallon.
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Charging with no home charger is just as expensive as petrol?
- Thread starter kashmachine
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Is it though ? Lets say that you are getting a poor 350 Wh/mile, and an equivalent poor figure on a petrol would be 40 mpg.
You would be covering 114 miles, the cost of petrol would be £18.83, so in effect you are saving 1/3 off the petrol price.
Jason71
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So currently public charging is taxed at 4 times the rate of home charging (20% VAT vs 5%) and given public charging is always at least double the kwh cost of home electricity so the actual tax take is probably 8 times as much per kwh for public as it is for home charging. which means that those who do not have a drive have to pay something between 2 and 8 times the cost of those who do and you think the logical move is to INCREASE the tax on public charging?
Taxing fuel only works when everyone has to pay the tax all the time. When much of the charging done is not done on public charging the tax level required on public charging to make up for the loss on fuel duty would be unachievable.
I think what needs to happen is a reduction of VAT on public charging to match home charging and to level the playing field. We are all about leveling up after all these days aren't we?
Fuel duty needs to be replaced by another source. Personally I have no problem with road pricing. Fuel duty was effectively a tax per mile. and the heaviest least efficient vehicles paid the most. So cut out the middle bit and just tax per mile. Different rates for different vehicles based on weight etc. No one likes tax buy I honestly can't think of a fairer way if we can find a way to do it reliably.
Nope. They will progress road pricing and recoup the tax that way.
Fancy paying fuel duty *and* road pricing in an ICE?
Jason71
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You can't have full marks unless you show your working out.
What MPG vs wh/m are you basing that on and are you accounting for charging losses etc? I am averaging 280 wh/m when I driver but I put in 315wh for every mile I drive on average. What numbers are you using?
Ok, here's my calcs:
Currently petrol costs 1.41 (where I live) or 1.54 or so at motorway pumps.
Currently I drive 1.3 l turbo charged Nissan Qasqai. With the full tank of ~55 liters, I can do ~500 miles on motorway at motorway speeds (cruise at 74 mph). Or ~350 miles in towns. And this cost me more than 70 pounds to fill at the cheapest price I can get (all other pumps I see around me are higher than 1.41).
For 500 miles I would need probably ~ 2 full charges of 75 kWh. So, in total this would be 150 kwh (please correct figures if I am wrong here) for 500 miles
So in order to charge to 150 kwh for 70 pounds the price per kWh should be 46.6666 p per kwh
Jason71
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so you are basically using 46mpg and 330wh/m as your bench marks. I think that is a pretty reasonable set of figures but will of course vary massively dependant on what EV you compare with what ICE..
I’m afraid that’s not going to be of much relevance to this UK and Ireland discussion! Different electricity prices, different fuel prices … and even different gallon sizes for people working on mpg calculations.
This is incredibly helpful thank you, I was totally unaware of this. I shall certainly mention to my leasehold management company and see what the response will be
Few cars with the performance of a Model 3 will get 40+ mpg.
Your local taxing schemes may often determine if driving with electricity is less expensive than using Gas/Diesel.
Biggest difference is that gassers pollute your local air much more than EVs.
Your local taxing schemes may often determine if driving with electricity is less expensive than using Gas/Diesel.
Biggest difference is that gassers pollute your local air much more than EVs.
gorghimself
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