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Chasing Unicorns: The Last Exhale of Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles

Discussion in 'Cars and Transportation' started by Patrick0101, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. Patrick0101

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    Elon called fuel cells BS. Toyota and others have continued to push them. A few years ago, Elon has said that in 5 years it will be totally obvious that fuel cells were not the right way to go. As he has done many times, it looks like his projections are coming to be. The oil companies have gotten out of the H2 distribution game, the H2 infrastructure parts providers are walking away from the market, and Toyota recently announced a big investment into EVs for a 2020 product launch. Here's the story of their birth, tribulations, and pending death.
     
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  2. Eclectic

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    That's curious, because right next to my office, a hydrogen fueling station is just being finished. On Toyota's property.
     
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  3. Garlan Garner

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    I suppose someone is going to have to supply fuel cells to those 10 cars.
     
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  4. Patrick0101

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    Is that like holding up and snowball and claiming global warming is not real?

    Saying they are not real is different from saying they don't have a future.
     
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  5. Eclectic

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    You're the one saying fuel cells are about to die and that Toyota is walking away from them. I'm just telling you that reality is a lot different than some spin from Musk and his sycophants.
     
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    One station is not ' a lot.'
    And you should keep in mind that obligations to build that station may be years old.
     
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  7. EV-lutioin

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    Yep I just don't get the infatuation with hydrogen since it takes electricity to make hydrogen. Right now I can directly fuel my car using my rooftop solar, you can't do that with hydrogen.... wait, maybe that is why they want us to use hydrogen...
     
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    Musk isn't the first nor only person to say FCVs are not viable. So is Steven Chu a Musk sycophant as well? One can likewise make a compelling argument that proponents of FCVs are sychophants of the fossil fuel industry and its unrelenting disinformation campaign.
     
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    And many people said the same thing about EVs....and still do.
     
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    I have seen several Mirai fuel cell vehicles in Southern California lately--one about every two weeks or so. So a few have been sold/leased.
     
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    Yep, said by the same fossil fuel sychophants who are promoting FCVs over EVs or ICEVs over EVs, among others.
     
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    Countries like India has a goal for zero emission transportation. I think they need something simpler, like BEV and solar to reach their goals.
     
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    Our tax dollars at work! Toyota is struggling financially, so California issued them a EBT Card to suckle off the taxpayer's teat.

    Wait. Toyota has lots of money, so why would California ship them crates of Benjamins? Probably because Toyota asked nicely. And privately. And with a fat envelope in hand.
     
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    Wednesday, January 11, 08:07
    Japan, Australia set hydrogen transport standards
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    Japan and Australia have agreed on safety standards to transport liquid hydrogen by sea.

    Government officials from both countries struck a deal in the Australian capital of Canberra on Wednesday.

    Hydrogen produced in Australia by heating brown coal will be shipped in liquid form by tanker to Japan for use as energy.

    The safety standards require that storage tanks be made of materials that can withstand the low temperature extreme of liquid hydrogen, at minus 253 degrees Celsius. They also cover fire extinguishing equipment.

    Both governments will set domestic safety standards ahead of a pilot project planned for 2020.

    Japan's Kawasaki Heavy Industries will build a dedicated tanker for the project.

    Senior company official Yukichi Takaoka says technical challenges remain, as liquid hydrogen has never been shipped. But he says the tanker will be ready on time.

    Japan, Australia set hydrogen transport standards- News - NHK WORLD - English
     
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  18. iwannam3

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    Heating brown coal seems to add CO2 issue to hydrogen production. Brown, not green technology. the brown coal was burned in the dirtiest power plant in Australia that recently shut down. Austraila get the CO2 and japan gets "clean" energy. We all get global climate change.
     
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    Japan's Director of Energy has admonished KHI for the preliminary tanker name of Hindenbusaki.
     
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    Why are you still here?
     
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