Chevy Bolt - 200 mile range for $30k base price (after incentive)

[tilt]

are they allowed to do that? can you return your car to them as they have just stolen 10% of your fuel tank you might need for long journeys?

The 90% is intended to be a temporary fix. Sure, I guess they've "stolen" range, but this isn't intended to be a permanent fix. I thought I made that clear. They say they'll have a permanent fix available after Jan 1 and we'll get the 10% back. Supposedly Chevy is providing loaner cars and paying for gas for people that need 100% range every day.

Chevy doesn't have OTA updates. So they can't take away the 10% unless you bring the car to them. I'm holding off and not going to bring in my car until they figure out what is wrong and can apply the final fix. I'm just not going to charge over 90% until they release the fix.

Hopefully they can fix the issue with a software update and there aren't issues that require a pack replacement or service to the pack. Having to get the pack replaced or serviced would be a huge PITA.

The counter side of this is if this was a case with Tesla, they'd take away the 10% with an OTA update and there would be nothing you could do.

That being said, If the final fix is only a software update, I'd prefer to have OTA updates like my Model 3 so it could be applied without me bringing the car in, even if it meant having a temporary loss of 10% while they figured out what to do. It is a waste of my time to have to drive to Chevy so they can apply a software fix. Tesla spoils you in that regard.

Another thing to keep in mind, there have been 5 fires out of 77800 cars produced over 4 years. They aren't exactly bursting into flames every time you turn around.

 

[daniel]

are they allowed to do that? can you return your car to them as they have just stolen 10% of your fuel tank you might need for long journeys?

You could try, but they have lots of lawyers. When you deal with shady companies you're likely to be unpleasantly surprised in the end.

 

[wws]

are they allowed to do that? can you return your car to them as they have just stolen 10% of your fuel tank you might need for long journeys?

No one is forcing owners to do the mod. If I were a Bolt EV owner, I'd just set Hilltop Mode and be done with it.

 

[dhanson865]

As for the bolded part, new Bolts are still much cheaper than Model 3's, esp. if you go with a stripped down Bolt and WAY cheaper than a Y. Bolts are heavily discounted. MSRP is nutty by today's standards and nobody pays that.

The bolded part was a portion of a compound statement, totally out of context if you ignore the rest of the thought process.

End result if you were thinking about buying one new you should look at a Model 3 or Model Y instead. If you are looking for a cheaper car you should be looking at a 2017 Bolt or 2018 Bolt because the Model 3/Y don't depreciate much and aren't really worth buying used right now.

meaning your options are

* Tesla at new price - the better vehicle if money isn't an issue.
* Bolt at new price
* Bolt at used price - the value play

can you use some sort of logic to say the 2020 bolt at dealer discount prices is worth buying, sure if you live in a state or power company region that has new car only rebates you might get one cheaper than a used one.

But for me there is no reason to buy a 2020 bolt if I can just wait a few months for the brouhaha to settle and get a 2017 bolt way cheaper. There isn't a dealer in my state that will sell me a 2020 below the prices of a used 2017.

As to the battery nerf I saw a post on reddit the other day saying the firmware changes the max charge to 95% and you can still use settings to limit to 90% if you choose.

Honestly considering I can make a 6 bar leaf work with a 50 mile max range I don't care if the Bolt is nerfed to 95%, 90%, or even 80% of max charge. It has thermal management and won't degrade 6-7% a year like my leaf has. Chop 20% off the top and it'll still outlast a leaf in deep southern states where heat is the primary issue.

 

[cwerdna]

Chevy Bolt EV Has Sold Over 100,000 Units Globally Since Launch

Not sure if the below should go here or in a dedicated Bolt EUV thread...
Here Are The 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV Option Packages
2022 Chevy Bolt EUV Introduces Panoramic Sunroof

 

[scottf200]

Competition is good but hard to believe when the Bolt was a promoted as beating Tesla to the punch (TM3) and they had planned along along to make it a compliance car (ie. limit quantity as it was not profitable).

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/01/gms...-shape-with-new-lower-priced-chevy-bolts.html

Profitable or not, the vehicles give GM an EV priced below other competitors such as the Ford Mustang Mach-E crossover at $43,000 (before an up to $7,500 federal tax credit that GM and Tesla buyers are no longer eligible to receive) and Tesla Model 3, which starts at about $37,000.

 

[Reeler]

If they get their $7K tax rebate and discounts off MSRP, this will be the cheapest EV out there. I wish the Bolt EUV had a AWD option.

 

[scottf200]

If they get their $7K tax rebate and discounts off MSRP, this will be the cheapest EV out there. I wish the Bolt EUV had a AWD option.

Actually GM is making a cheaper one and there have been articles in the past few days on record Tesla beating sales

"price starting at $4,162 US, and tops out at $5,607 US"

The Wuling Hongguang Mini EV is an all-electric city car that is manufactured by SAIC-GM-Wuling.
Parent -- SAIC Motor (50.1%) *** General Motors (44%) *** Wuling Motors (5.9%)

The Wuling Hongguang Mini EV is equipped with a 9.2kWh battery capable of a NEDC range of 120 km (75 mi) or a 13.8kWh battery capable of a NEDC range of 170 km (110 mi).[3]
The Hongguang Mini can seat four people and is powered by a single electric motor producing 13 kW (17.4 hp) and 62.7 pound-feet of torque with rear-wheel drive. The Hongguang Mini EV has a top speed of 100 km/h (62 mph) and an estimated range of 170 km (110 mi).[3] Based on the NEDC driving cycle, the estimated energy consumption of the Wuling Hongguang Mini EV is 8,1 kWh/100 km.[4]

In 2020, the Hongguang Mini had a price starting at $4,162 US, and tops out at $5,607 US for a fully loaded model, making it China's cheapest EV.[5] Standard safety features of the Hongguang Mini include anti-lock brakes, tire pressure monitoring sensors, and rear parking sensors. The Hongguang Mini also has standard features including air conditioning, power windows, stereo system, 12 storage compartments, 741 liters of trunk space with the rear seats folded down, and the accelerator and brake pedals feature positive and negative symbols.[6]

In October 2020, the Hongguang Mini surpassed the Tesla Model 3 to become the bestselling EV in China, with 55,781 sales through the three months ending October 31.[7]

Wuling Hongguang Mini EV - Wikipedia

 

[Cheburashka]

Bolt EUV looks great. And it has a panorama sunroof option! Kudos to GM for not being lazy and slapping on the stupid glass roof like everyone else.

 

[SageBrush]

Competition is good but hard to believe when the Bolt was a promoted as beating Tesla to the punch (TM3) and they had planned along along to make it a compliance car (ie. limit quantity as it was not profitable).

I give high marks to GM for being consistently FOS:

The GM Volt was profitable ... until it wasn't
The GM Bolt was profitable ... until it wasn't
I don't expect this round to be any different.

And honestly common sense says as much. GM is selling rebranded LG cars. Their funky accounting is based on (now lapsed) Federal tax credits and value of CARB credits. Bolt sales turn their gas guzzling trucks into profit centers. The sooner that company dies the better off the world will be.

 

[Cheburashka]

I give high marks to GM for being consistently FOS:

The GM Volt was profitable ... until it wasn't
The GM Bolt was profitable ... until it wasn't
I don't expect this round to be any different.

And honestly common sense says as much. GM is selling rebranded LG cars. Their funky accounting is based on (now lapsed) Federal tax credits and value of CARB credits. Bolt sales turn their gas guzzling trucks into profit centers. The sooner that company dies the better off the world will be.

How are they rebranded from anything? It's a GM design.

They will do whatever makes sense to increase their profits.

How is this different from Tesla selling carbon credits to other manufacturers?

 

[mtndrew1]

Regardless of whether or not the car is profitable (I’ve got a dollar in the “it’s not” camp) they’ll almost certainly sell a bunch of these.

It’s still dorky looking but now it’s dorky at the correct price point without the back-breaking seats. Shame about that DC charge rate but when transaction prices are down in the high $20Ks the buyers won’t care much. Great update, two years late.

 

[daniel]

How is this different from Tesla selling carbon credits to other manufacturers?

GM is selling compliance cars. Tesla is selling electric cars and related products, all of which have far better performance than most gas cars, and all of which are more luxurious than most gas cars.

Every company exists to make a profit. Tesla makes its profit by changing the way the world thinks about personal transportation, and as a side business by selling batteries which make solar energy sustainable for the homeowner by storing solar energy for use at night.

GM makes a profit by selling filthy stinkers that are destroying the world, and then greenwashes itself with a few compliance EVs

 

[Cheburashka]

GM is selling compliance cars. Tesla is selling electric cars and related products, all of which have far better performance than most gas cars, and all of which are more luxurious than most gas cars.

Every company exists to make a profit. Tesla makes its profit by changing the way the world thinks about personal transportation, and as a side business by selling batteries which make solar energy sustainable for the homeowner by storing solar energy for use at night.

GM makes a profit by selling filthy stinkers that are destroying the world, and then greenwashes itself with a few compliance EVs

What? Tesla literally would have many quarters of losses if not for selling these carbon credits.

By selling carbon credits, Tesla is enabling manufacturers to pump polluting cars and destroy the environment.

 

[ZsoZso]

What? Tesla literally would have many quarters of losses if not for selling these carbon credits.

By selling carbon credits, Tesla is enabling manufacturers to pump polluting cars and destroy the environment.

That statement is completely false. Those polluting cars by other manufacturers are sold whether or not Tesla sells them any credits. If Tesla did not sell them credits, they would pay slightly more in fines to the governments -- that is all the difference, not a gram of pollution would be saved / avoided.

 

[TEG]

That statement is completely false. Those polluting cars by other manufacturers are sold whether or not Tesla sells them any credits. If Tesla did not sell them credits, they would pay slightly more in fines to the governments -- that is all the difference, not a gram of pollution would be saved / avoided.

Well in the grand scheme Tesla gets to sell more EVs and some of them would have been in lieu of some gas car, so it does help cut CO2 emissions somewhat indirectly.
Tesla would sell less of their vehicles (due to being more expensive) if they didn't have the carbon credits to sell and bake into a reduced car price.

 

[brucet999]

How are they rebranded from anything? It's a GM design.

I think Sagebrush was referring to the LG battery and powertrain upon which some of their BEVs are based.

 

[TEG]

I think Sagebrush was referring to the LG battery and powertrain upon which some of their BEVs are based.

Bolt EV Powertrain: How Did GM And LG Collaborate On Design, Production?

...a few electric-car advocates have suggested that GM had outsourced Bolt EV development wholesale to its Korean partner...

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Bolt EV Powertrain: How Did GM And LG Collaborate On Design, Production?

I just want to know who was responsible for the seats.

 

[dhanson865]

GM is selling compliance cars. Tesla is selling electric cars and related products, all of which have far better performance than most gas cars, and all of which are more luxurious than most gas cars.

Every company exists to make a profit. Tesla makes its profit by changing the way the world thinks about personal transportation, and as a side business by selling batteries which make solar energy sustainable for the homeowner by storing solar energy for use at night.

GM makes a profit by selling filthy stinkers that are destroying the world, and then greenwashes itself with a few compliance EVs

compliance cars are only sold in California and the handful of states that follow CARB rules.

I don't know of any car GM is making right now that is limited to those states.