China demands actual EVs from Germany instead of press releases

[electracity]

"Under a system proposed by China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, 8% of new cars sales would have to be electric as early as 2018. By 2020, that would grow to 12%."

"According to SZ, BMW sold 379 000 cars to China this year, but just 1204 of them were electric."


German vice chancellor attacks China's electric car targets | Climate Home - climate change news

 

[adiggs]

That certainly sounds like somebody is talking seriously about changing over to electric cars

This article is light on the details of China's actual proposed system, and is actually about a German reaction. I wonder if we can track down something with some meat about the actual proposal.

Edit: I just noticed that the linked article was published in January of this year. It's new information to me, but not particularly new in general.

 

[BluestarE3]

"China demands actual EVs from Germany instead of press releases"

Yes, we'd all like to see that as well!

 

[electracity]

Edit: I just noticed that the linked article was published in January of this year. It's new information to me, but not particularly new in general.

Nov 1 = 01/11/2016

Not a made in 'merica date format.

 

[traxila]

If it is the intention of the Chinese to destroy the German car invasion by mandating EV then I say well done.

 

[mspohr]

About time for car makers to actually start producing EVs rather than just talking about how great they might be some day.

 

[Just a Reader]

Apparently the major issue is that China only wants to allow production of electric drives by companies which are controlled by Chinese owners. You may just as well hand over your technology free of charge. It's time to get much tougher with China on these issues.

 

[larmor]

"China demands actual EVs from Germany instead of press releases"

Yes, we'd all like to see that as well!

The press release was emailed instead of printed, does that count?

 

[traxila]

Apparently the major issue is that China only wants to allow production of electric drives by companies which are controlled by Chinese owners. You may just as well hand over your technology free of charge. It's time to get much tougher with China on these issues.

That is not how I read it. Yeh we all know about China's tech grabs but that story talks about mandating percentages of EVs and having to buy credits from other manufacturers. BMW is crying about time to ramping its production. Well cry me a river don't give good goddamn. German car comps have no to blame but themselves. Made your bed sleep in it. Better yet issue a press release about the car you just designed which will destroy all other EV manufacturers, especially Tesla.

Just wait going to get much uglier. I see at least one German car company going belly up and that says a lot.

 

[stopcrazypp]

Apparently the major issue is that China only wants to allow production of electric drives by companies which are controlled by Chinese owners. You may just as well hand over your technology free of charge. It's time to get much tougher with China on these issues.

If you want to get the same subsidies as other EVs, that is the case. However, if you forgo those, you can sell imported EVs perfectly fine, which is what Tesla is doing.

 

[adiggs]

Nov 1 = 01/11/2016

Not a made in 'merica date format.

Thank you - that makes a lot more sense.

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Apparently the major issue is that China only wants to allow production of electric drives by companies which are controlled by Chinese owners. You may just as well hand over your technology free of charge. It's time to get much tougher with China on these issues.

Exactly. Yes, China wants more PEVs, but it wants to make sure that they're Chinese PEVs. They have battery certification rules to keep foreign battery manufacturers out, high import tariffs and large incentives that only apply to domestic manufacturers.

But, other countries only have themselves to blame for China walking all over them. They got greedy and now they're trapped.

 

[electracity]

The press release was emailed instead of printed, does that count?

The VW group press release operation (which is apparently a major employer in Wolfsburg) needs to invest in some robotics.

 

[electracity]

Thank you - that makes a lot more sense.

Well, don't worry. Trump will force europeans to become winners and to use the proper date format.

 

[Waiting4M3]

... BMW is crying about time to ramping its production. Well cry me a river don't give good goddamn. German car comps have no to blame but themselves. Made your bed sleep in it. ...

Maybe they can talk to Sergio Marchionne from Fiat who said he can mass produce an EV in a year if someone gives him the technology and a profitable design

 

[BornToFly]

Don't worry. VW has like 10 models that will be mass produced any day now

 

[Yggdrasill]

Well, don't worry. Trump will force europeans to become winners and to use the proper date format.

I think we could agree on YYYY-MM-DD.

 

[Just a Reader]

.....
But, other countries only have themselves to blame for China walking all over them. They got greedy and now they're trapped.

Well, I may dig that out the next time some US tech company gets shafted in China. That may very well be Tesla or do people here really believe that Tesla will not get into Beijing's cross hairs if it is being considered to be too successful in the Chinese market?

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Well, I may dig that out the next time some US tech company gets shafted in China. That may very well be Tesla or do people here really believe that Tesla will not get into Beijing's cross hairs if it is being considered to be too successful in the Chinese market?

Tesla's already affected by the protectionism. This is just another chapter in a very long story.