This version of F3DM won't be coming to America. They are using it to work the bugs out and will have something nicer for the US market. They may have only sold 80 but they aren't available to the public yet, only to Government agencies or entities. An Australian show drove one (Dateline, I think) and they thought it was pretty decent. They didn't check the all-electric range though. I think the company is getting some pressure from the government for some reason. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in the original article since there weren't any actual sources named. As for less than 60 miles of range, even if it only got 40 (like the Volt) it would considered a pretty good deal in the low $20's or less.
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This version of F3DM won't be coming to America. They are using it to work the bugs out and will have something nicer for the US market. They may have only sold 80 but they aren't available to the public yet, only to Government agencies or entities. An Australian show drove one (Dateline, I think) and they thought it was pretty decent. They didn't check the all-electric range though. I think the company is getting some pressure from the government for some reason. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in the original article since there weren't any actual sources named. As for less than 60 miles of range, even if it only got 40 (like the Volt) it would considered a pretty good deal in the low $20's or less.
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Looks like the same one to me. They always were planning on two models: the all-electric E6 crossover, and the range-extended F3DM sedan. It's a good sign that they expect to be ready to enter the US a year earlier. They're probably feeling the competition from some of the big names now too, who are all aiming for 2010-2012.
Okay, we have a $40,000 price point (approx), range of 186 miles and speed of 99 mph which IMO is not bad considering what is on the market today, set for release in 2010. WHERE ARE THE TEST DRIVES? Warren, these should be all over the place
I'm still in the "I'll believe it when I see it category."
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johnr
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The hardest thing for a Chinese car maker to overcome to enter the US market successfully has got to be the safety tests. If they can't get a 5 star rating they're history. Even then they'll have to overcome the old perception that "made in China" = junk... which isn't necessarily true - most everything is made in China nowadays.
Hopefully they don't make any major mistakes on the way in. As much as I'd like to have the US lead in the EV industry, more than anything I'd just like to have EV's take over, and if a Chinese company can lower the price so it's affordable to the mainstream and really catches on, then good for them!
Hopefully they don't make any major mistakes on the way in. As much as I'd like to have the US lead in the EV industry, more than anything I'd just like to have EV's take over, and if a Chinese company can lower the price so it's affordable to the mainstream and really catches on, then good for them!
Agreed.
We went through this "=junk" phase with Japanese and Korean companies in the past. Nowadays the opposite is true.
One Chinese company has already pulled this off in the networking world. I'm posting this through one of their own branded products right now. I'm sure the Chinese car companies can do the same thing.
We went through this "=junk" phase with Japanese and Korean companies in the past. Nowadays the opposite is true.
One Chinese company has already pulled this off in the networking world. I'm posting this through one of their own branded products right now. I'm sure the Chinese car companies can do the same thing.
BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Harrabin's Notes: Electric promise
8 hours on 230V/13A domestic supply = 24kWh. So either the domestic charging or the range of 250 miles claim is a little bit suspect.
8 hours on 230V/13A domestic supply = 24kWh. So either the domestic charging or the range of 250 miles claim is a little bit suspect.
FWIW, BYD Website lists domestic outlet as 10A @ 220V (under Specifications). Range is prominently featured on manufacturer's website, while full recharge time from domestic outlet is not, so I would treat the latter as suspect. Interestingly, the interviewer asks Rebecca Wang to confirm range, but not recharge time.
GCC, which is pretty good with fact-checking, lists power consumption at 290 Wh/mile (likely city cycle, taking Roadster's low 200's for "gentle" driving cycle as a point of comparison), so usable pack capacity must be at least 290 * 250 = 72.5 kWh. At 90% charging efficiency, domestic outlet recharge time is 72.5 kWh * / .9 * 2.2 kW = 36.6 Hrs.
To get 36 kWh into a pack in 10 min requires 36 kWh / 1/6 hr = 216 kW at 100% efficiency. Not sure of efficiencies at such high rates, but at 90% that's 240 kW. That makes sense, given how thick the charge cable in the video is. Waste heat would equal 24kW / 6 = 8 kWh, so comparable to one nice refrigerator (IIRC, "two nice refrigerators" waste ~14 kWh).
johnr
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China never ceases to amaze me. When they get started on a project, they'll work hard on it and have it finished before it would have even reached planning commission stage here in the U.S. Their recently completed high speed rail project is just one example - and now it looks like the electric car will be for sale on their home turf even earlier than originally planned this year. But it appears Nissan will beat them to it in the U.S.
