Chip Shortages

[Marty McFly]

I noted the following article Tesla pulled non-critical steering component from some China-built cars to combat chip shortage | TESLARATI where the team has pulled out the redundant chip in the steering rack.

Great work on keeping production rolling

However, "Tesla employees said in internal memos that the steering rack control unit would only be necessary for Level 3 autonomous cars. Tesla vehicles still operate in Level 2, according to SAE standards, and the lack of a second chip was not a safety issue."

So those cars without this 'redundant' chip have little hope for autonomous driving without a further chip installed...? Am I reading into this too much??

 

[PC__LoadLetter]

Did you buy the FSD package? If so, retrofits will be made available in due course.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good!

 

[Marty McFly]

Very good point. We've also likely got plenty of time for retrofits to occur before level 3 finds its way down under.

Yeah the summon seemed like a great party trick so FSD was purchased on Day 2. Now I just need to find a party to go to...

 

[RobDickinson]

They'll put it back in if and when they need to if you buy fsd.

 

[GilR]

Did you buy the FSD package? If so, retrofits will be made available in due course.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good!

Does this mean if I want to try FSD for a month with my M3 I will need to get a hardware upgrade first?

 

[RobDickinson]

yes, its the same with the current HW2/2.5 cars etc

but only when its ding L3 or up, which isnt now.

 

[GilR]

yes, its the same with the current HW2/2.5 cars etc

but only when its ding L3 or up, which isnt now.

Is there any timetable this L3 will be achieved?

 

[RobDickinson]

Elon said this year.


Again.


TBh the FSD beta in USA looks like its got a good chance of getting to the right point this year but then it needs regulatory approval

For NZ/Oz? who knows!

 

[GilR]

So really the moment it is approved here one should spend a couple of hundred dollars and get FSD for a month to have the upgrade fitted for free?

 

[Wol747]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if FSD is quietly renamed "Driver assist feature" and when you look back through the Tesla online documentation all references to autonomous driving have mysteriously disappeared.
They are 99% there from the beta videos but that 1% is a very long way away. Did you see Chuck's video of unprotected left turns (Florida) a few days ago? I think one out of seven or eight went without having to be disengaged - in two of them the car actually turned the wrong way!

 

[RobDickinson]

yeah nah

 

[paulp]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if FSD is quietly renamed "Driver assist feature" and when you look back through the Tesla online documentation all references to autonomous driving have mysteriously disappeared.
They are 99% there from the beta videos but that 1% is a very long way away. Did you see Chuck's video of unprotected left turns (Florida) a few days ago? I think one out of seven or eight went without having to be disengaged - in two of them the car actually turned the wrong way!

They dont need to rename FSD. It is a marketing term that is well defined in the sales material with accurate descriptions around what it can do. Its just that many buyers are linking FSD to comments being made by Elon about robo taxi and thinking they are the same thing.

 

[Wol747]

They dont need to rename FSD. It is a marketing term that is well defined in the sales material with accurate descriptions around what it can do. Its just that many buyers are linking FSD to comments being made by Elon about robo taxi and thinking they are the same thing.

You've bought into it too!

 

[RobDickinson]

and onto the ignore list...

 

[Wol747]

They dont need to rename FSD. It is a marketing term that is well defined in the sales material with accurate descriptions around what it can do. Its just that many buyers are linking FSD to comments being made by Elon about robo taxi and thinking they are the same thing.

Paul, I don't think we are on different pages.
The generally accepted levels 4 and 5 are really identical, the only difference being that level 5 has no need for manual controls. Level 5 would be robotaxis so in practice level 4 hard and software are the same except for the obvious need for security and payment systems in 5.
So I submit that Tesla isn't working on two completely different systems, one for 4 and one for 5 except for the above.
So when Musk talks about robotaxis he's effectively including what is generally called his FSD?

 

[paulp]

I think I interpreted your previous comment completely differently