Climate Change Denial

[eevee-fan]

You are using the wrong units! MW is a unit of power. MWh is a unit of energy. That was 649 MWh that wind energy had dropped to after producing over 8,000 MWh just 24 hours prior to that. There is no way that was predicted days in advance. Plus, the icing effects on the wind turbines were not factored in. Nothing this widespread has happened to Texas before. We've learned our lesson now. Arctic blasts knock out wind turbines. We will have our base load boosted ahead of time for the next one. If the DOE disapproves, to heck with them. We will battle their fines out in the courts.

Icing and freezing affected all power generation plants. If TX was 'really counting on the 8GWh from wind', I guess the MUCH BIGGER SHORTFALL from the fossil plants were not the primary cause of the widespread outage. The only thing ERCOT was counting on was a miracle. 10 year issue still unresolved due to political pressure from the power producers, results is frozen plants all across. #MATH, #SCIENCE, #BRAIN, The Brainwashing Of My Dad

 

[eevee-fan]

In point of fact if you look at the plots I linked they are in MW not MWH. However if you would like to know how much energy just calculate the average power generation per hour and there's your MWH. So the estmated energy wind would produce from 19:00-20:00 was about 700MWH.

The Texas grid also crapped out back in 2011 due to cold weather. As it was then and now it was due to natural gas wells freezing over and cooling water lines at thermal plants freezing over because they didn't feel the need for trace heaters.

As a result I'm adding a whole home generator for the next time this happens since we apparently haven't learned anything in the last decade.

I think they have learned. It is politics driving the decision now, that's why TX is doubling down on stupid. The Brainwashing Of My Dad

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

That is old data - any quick look can find that.

UK set for a new generation of giant onshore wind turbines

The UK is about to see the appearance of a new generation of onshore wind turbines ? rivalling those in Scotland at Queensferry Bridge and approaching the elevation of the Eiffel To...

www.renewableenergymagazine.com

For those that don't want to read - wind alone provided 24.2% of UK electricity in 2020; up from 19.8% in 2019

Nuclear was 20% (updated 2/2021 but looks like 2018 data)

Nuclear Power in the United Kingdom |UK Nuclear Energy - World Nuclear Association

Nuclear energy in the UK, nuclear power in the United Kingdom, the history of nuclear energy in the UK including nuclear power plants and facilities at Sellafield, Sizewell, Bradwell, Berkely, Hinkley, Hunterston, Hartlepool, Heysham, Oldbury, Wylfa, Dungeness, Braystones, Kirksanton

www.world-nuclear.org

This reference puts UK at about 44% fossil fuels (39% NG, 5% coal). For sure 2020 is more like 2% coal)

Why are we talking about the UK anyway? Because it has made the some of the best moves on wind despite having a Trump-like idiot in executive?

Why would you keep repeating easily debunked facts? To show your lack of intellect/thoroughness?

He was referring to total energy use, not just electricity.
He was using outdated numbers, but the overall decline in fossil fuel use hasn't been as steep overall as it has been for electricity.
However, with accelerating electrification of transportation, the ban on natural gas heating in new homes from 2025 and the shift to renewables from fossil fuels we could expect the decline to become more rapid. Even a shift from ICEV to NG-powered BEV would raise efficiency, but the supply is increasingly renewable, and renewable now have such a significant EROI that it will have a large impact on primary efficiency use.

Plus, the UK has a policy of subsidies and mandates for smart chargers, which allows people effortlessly to charge in a way that matches renewable electricity generation, which is why green tariffs like Octopus Agile have become popular among UK EV owners.

 

[eevee-fan]

You: the UK hasn't phased out coal (using 2016 data)
Me: UK use is much lower than (using 2019 data), coal electricity generation ends 2024/2025, examples of government electrification policy
You: 80% of energy consumption in the UK comes from fossil fuels

It was 78.4% in 2019, down from 79.4% in 2018. Looks like it's still heading in the right direction.

This is how Drumpf and the right wing media brainwashes their followers. Repeat the lie enough times and people will believe it.

Famous Sayings: #56 — ‘Repeat a Lie Often Enough…’

They say “Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.” In this era of alternative facts, this quote is quite appropriate, unfortunately.

shmaltzandmenudo.wordpress.com

I think we need to ask the right question of these climate change deniers... 'Why would you kill yourself?'

 

[eevee-fan]

He was referring to total energy use, not just electricity.
He was using outdated numbers, but the overall decline in fossil fuel use hasn't been as steep overall as it has been for electricity.
However, with accelerating electrification of transportation, the ban on natural gas heating in new homes from 2025 and the shift to renewables from fossil fuels we could expect the decline to become more rapid. Even a shift from ICEV to NG-powered BEV would raise efficiency, but the supply is increasingly renewable, and renewable now have such a significant EROI that it will have a large impact on primary efficiency use.

Plus, the UK has a policy of subsidies and mandates for smart chargers, which allows people effortlessly to charge in a way that matches renewable electricity generation, which is why green tariffs like Octopus Agile have become popular among UK EV owners.

Yep, this was about a month ago. Lot of room for more renewables, esp if they can automate the charging into EVs with some V1G smarts (utility controlled charging). Would be even better if utility can override the Target Charge during excess renewable events. Let's say I normally only charge to 70% because that's all I need to get through the day, utility can tell my car to charge to 90% or 100% to take advantage of low/free power.

EGEB: UK EV owners to get free charging with excess clean energy

Good Energy and ZapMap offer free EV charging powered by 100% clean electricity; take a virtual EV drive with race car driver Leilani Münter.

electrek.co

 

[JRP3]

Arctic blasts knock out wind turbines.

Not when they are properly winterized, as in most places that experience cold weather.

 

[CyberGus]

Government should just butt out of the way. Pointing guns at people's heads and telling them what kind of car they should drive, or what kind of electricity to use serves no useful purpose.

I wholeheartedly join with you in calling for an end to the billions in annual subsidies to the oil industry.

 

[CyberGus]

However, our relatively high dewpoint temperatures combined with freezing air temperatures iced up the wind turbine blades in West Texas. This knocked out our wind energy component that we were counting on.

You know that most of the power generated on Antartica is from wind, rite?

 

[eevee-fan]

I wholeheartedly join with you in calling for an end to the billions in annual subsidies to the oil industry.

Don't forget to bill them for the cost of healthcare, that is a heavy indirect subsidy paid for by the residents nearby.

Erin Brockovich - Wikipedia

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[eevee-fan]

You know that most of the power generated on Antartica is from wind, rite?

Wind is for the birds, I mean Penguins. LOL

 

[eevee-fan]

Nice graphic explaining how Dr. Spencer makes it appear that the world was cooling. Of course, after he was caught in his lie, he admitted there is global warming. And using the 'recent average' lie, he attempted to prove 'oh, it's not that bad.'

The New U.S. Climate Normals Are Here. What Do They Tell Us About Climate Change? - CleanTechnica

The New U.S. Climate Normals are Here. What Do They Tell Us About Climate Change?

cleantechnica.com

 

[eevee-fan]

Don't forget to bill them for the cost of healthcare, that is a heavy indirect subsidy paid for by the residents nearby.

Erin Brockovich - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Speaking of...

Solar, wind increasingly competitive over coal | Energy News Network

Energy Innovation report: All-in costs for new solar and wind energy are falling faster than previously thought, while coal plants’ costs rise.

energynews.us

"How do the environmental costs of coal power factor in?
The Energy Innovations analysis does not factor in the social costs of coal-fired power plants. Those include health and environmental impacts from sulfur dioxide, nitrous oxides and particulate pollution, as well as the plants’ greenhouse gas emissions that add to human-caused climate change."

 

[MitchP85D]

You know that most of the power generated on Antartica is from wind, rite?

The dewpoint temperatures are by far lower in Antarctica than Texas. Therefore, the climate is drier and the wind turbine blades won't ice up.

 

[MitchP85D]

People are short sighted, that won't happen until their feet are constantly wet in their houses. Just like the people dying from covid while claiming it isn't real with their last breath.

!/2 foot per century sea level rise will not make people flee the coast.

 

[MitchP85D]

Then why did coal drop so much? And why do you think windmills work fine in other more northern locations but failed in TX?

Because the dewpoint temperatures are higher in the southern states because of our proximity to the Gulf of Mexico. High dewpoints combined with a blast of Arctic air down south producing icing conditions. In simpler terms, snow does not affect wind turbine blades nearly as much as freezing rain.

 

[MitchP85D]

Not when they are properly winterized, as in most places that experience cold weather.

Germany had problems with their wind turbines last winter.

Germany Desperate For Coal Power, As Wind & Solar Power Fail

By Paul Homewood Germany’s held up as the world’s wind and solar capital. But, at the moment, the ‘green’ stuff can’t be purchased, at any price. Its millions of solar panels are blan…

notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com

Coal came to the rescue in Germany. That was the problem in Texas - not enough coal.

 

[MitchP85D]

I wholeheartedly join with you in calling for an end to the billions in annual subsidies to the oil industry.

As a Libertarian, I am for ending all subsidies.

 

[MitchP85D]

Speaking of...

Solar, wind increasingly competitive over coal | Energy News Network

Energy Innovation report: All-in costs for new solar and wind energy are falling faster than previously thought, while coal plants’ costs rise.

energynews.us

"How do the environmental costs of coal power factor in?
The Energy Innovations analysis does not factor in the social costs of coal-fired power plants. Those include health and environmental impacts from sulfur dioxide, nitrous oxides and particulate pollution, as well as the plants’ greenhouse gas emissions that add to human-caused climate change."

The West scrubs their coal emissions. China and India don't.

 

[Uncle Paul]

I will be more willing to believe in Global Warming and rising Seas when I see people moving away from our coaslines and insurance companies not be willing to write policies for those areas as well.

Europe had global warming in medevial times. Populations of the Earth doubled because so much more food could be grown world wide due to longer growing seasons.

 

[MitchP85D]

Nice graphic explaining how Dr. Spencer makes it appear that the world was cooling. Of course, after he was caught in his lie, he admitted there is global warming. And using the 'recent average' lie, he attempted to prove 'oh, it's not that bad.'

The New U.S. Climate Normals Are Here. What Do They Tell Us About Climate Change? - CleanTechnica

The New U.S. Climate Normals are Here. What Do They Tell Us About Climate Change?

cleantechnica.com

You are slandering Spencer. He didn't lie about anything. If he did, NASA, NOAA, and DOE would slash his funding. So, put that in your pipe and smoke it!