Climate Change / Global Warming Discussion

[SR22pilot]

JP Morgan economists warn of climate 'catastrophe'

"It could put stresses on water, cause famine, and cause people to be displaced or migrate. Climate change could also cause political stress, conflict, and it could hit biodiversity and species survival, the report warned."

 

[Swampgator]

JP Morgan economists warn of climate 'catastrophe'

"It could put stresses on water, cause famine, and cause people to be displaced or migrate. Climate change could also cause political stress, conflict, and it could hit biodiversity and species survival, the report warned."

You are on a roll today.

So, some "economists" put out a paper on climate, and because it fits your narrative you find it valuable? Why would JP Morgan pay for this? Could it be, to use the report in order to enrich themselves and their clients?
Same guy put out basically the same report last year. Nothing to see here....

 

[ggies07]

You are on a roll today.

So, some "economists" put out a paper on climate, and because it fits your narrative you find it valuable? Why would JP Morgan pay for this? Could it be, to use the report in order to enrich themselves and their clients?
Same guy put out basically the same report last year. Nothing to see here....

I think it's time for you to be banned because I'm really tired of you clogging up this thread. The US military has said for YEARS now that climate change is a huge problem for our country and the world as a whole. That link is just regurgitating what's already been said.

Here's a doc from the military's view:

 

[mspohr]

Looks like we are gaining momentum

With every flood, public anger over the climate crisis is surging

With every flood, public anger over the climate crisis is surging | Gaby Hinsliff

It may sound ridiculous to their parents’ generation, for whom energy companies were the ones keeping the lights on, but even those with no such qualms must wonder if there’s much future with fossil fuel companies – squeezed between the political rock of legal commitments to hit zero emissions by 2050 and a public hard place that gets harder with every flood or bush fire.

It’s not consumer boycotts driving this, so much as social stigma. It’s tough to go without these companies’ products – there was outrage when a bursar at St John’s College, Oxford, responded to student demands to divest immediately from fossil fuels with a tongue-in-cheek offer to turn their heating off if they were that worried – although the intention was to make the students think, not freeze. But noisy public disapproval costs absolutely nothing, which makes it a powerful weapon.

 

[eevee-fan]

Looks like we are gaining momentum

With every flood, public anger over the climate crisis is surging

With every flood, public anger over the climate crisis is surging | Gaby Hinsliff

It may sound ridiculous to their parents’ generation, for whom energy companies were the ones keeping the lights on, but even those with no such qualms must wonder if there’s much future with fossil fuel companies – squeezed between the political rock of legal commitments to hit zero emissions by 2050 and a public hard place that gets harder with every flood or bush fire.

It’s not consumer boycotts driving this, so much as social stigma. It’s tough to go without these companies’ products – there was outrage when a bursar at St John’s College, Oxford, responded to student demands to divest immediately from fossil fuels with a tongue-in-cheek offer to turn their heating off if they were that worried – although the intention was to make the students think, not freeze. But noisy public disapproval costs absolutely nothing, which makes it a powerful weapon.

Republican response:

 

[S'toon]

Ask anyone whose job is to communicate information about climate science — it's hard work to get people to listen.


And climate psychologists say it's mostly due to the way we share that information.


"It is presented in a way that doesn't really fit with a human brain," Per Espen Stoknes told Quirks & Quarks host Bob McDonald. "It's a kind of empty bucket theory about how to communicate climate science, we have to fill that bucket inside people's heads up to the brim and then they will change their behaviours."


The empty bucket theory is the suggestion that people need more information about climate change in order to be convinced about it — more science and data.


"But the human brain doesn't quite work that way."

<snip>
More at:
Why the way we talk about climate change makes some people stop listening

 

[Swampgator]

I think it's time for you to be banned because I'm really tired of you clogging up this thread. The US military has said for YEARS now that climate change is a huge problem for our country and the world as a whole. That link is just regurgitating what's already been said.

Here's a doc from the military's view:

Typical response from a leftist. Cancel culture.

 

[winfield100]

Typical response from a leftist. Cancel culture.

@Swampgator
Your response makes no sense.
The short video points out how the entire military is acknowledging and beginning to respond to the realities of climate change.

 

[JRP3]

Obviously the military is under the control of climate scientists.

 

[Swampgator]

You mean the same military that emits more CO2 than many countries?

Papers - 2019 - Pentagon Fuel Use, Climate Change, and the Costs of War | Costs of War

 

[mspohr]

To Prevent Next Coronavirus, Stop the Wildlife Trade, Conservationists Say To Prevent Next Coronavirus, Stop the Wildlife Trade, Conservationists Say

In the spread of yet another coronavirus, conservationists see a public health lesson: If you want to prevent epidemics that begin in animals, halt the global trade in wildlife.

Biodiversity loss, combined with high rates of deforestation, raises the risk of these infections by bringing people and livestock into contact with wildlife, and by altering the environment to favor transmission of certain diseases, such as malaria, Zika and dengue.

 

[mspohr]

From The Lancet: EAT: Our food in the Anthropocene: Healthy Diets From sustainable Food Systems

EAT-Lancet Commission Summary Report - EAT

Food is the single strongest lever to optimize human
health and environmental sustainability on Earth.
However, food is currently threatening both people
and planet. An immense challenge facing human-
ity is to provide a growing world population with
healthy diets from sustainable food systems. While
global food production of calories has generally kept
pace with population growth, more than 820 million
people still lack sufficient food, and many more
consume either low-quality diets or too much food.
Unhealthy diets now pose a greater risk to morbid-
ity and mortality than unsafe sex, alcohol, drug and
tobacco use combined. Global food production threat-
ens climate stability and ecosystem resilience and
constitutes the single largest driver of environmental
degradation and transgression of planetary bound-
aries. Taken together the outcome is dire. A radi-
cal transformation of the global food system is
urgently needed. Without action, the world risks
failing to meet the UN Sustainable Development Goals

 

[mspohr]

Former UN Climate Chief Calls For Civil Disobedience

In a book out tomorrow, the woman who led the negotiations for the Paris Agreement calls for civil disobedience to force institutions to respond to the climate crisis.

“It’s time to participate in non-violent political movements wherever possible,” Christiana Figueres writes in “The Future We Choose: Surviving the Climate Crisis,” which will be released tomorrow by Knopf.

 

[mspohr]

The end of farming?

The end of farming?

If rewilding seems like a rich person’s indulgence, this is because its economic viability is unproven. It is also a misnomer, for whether by getting rid of tens of thousands of sheep in Patagonia or introducing a living species as a surrogate for an extinct one – Sayaguesa cattle in place of aurochs in Croatia’s Velebit Mountains, for instance – rewilding requires more human intervention than its name suggests. The tourism it offers is limited; a rewilded area cannot accommodate many people without undermining its own existence. By diverting investment towards repairing landscapes and contributing to the public weal, rewilders are taking money away from conventional economic activities. And this is where its impact will be felt in British farming. Barely a decade ago, the notion that land should be managed in order to ensure planetary wellbeing had few takers among farmers whose raison d’etre was to fill human bellies at the lowest possible cost. But this is the proposition that is now poised to determine the future of farming.

 

[wjax]

I think it's time for you to be banned because I'm really tired of you clogging up this thread. The US military has said for YEARS now that climate change is a huge problem for our country and the world as a whole. That link is just regurgitating what's already been said.

Here's a doc from the military's view:

You are right! The military/CIA did say climate change was a huge problem in the 70's and actively began preparing us for it:

The CIA documents the global cooling research of the 1970’s

Oh wait...

 

[JRP3]

This has been previously, repeatedly explained.

 

[Swampgator]

This has been previously, repeatedly explained.

Well, I don't think him linking to Watts up helped the cause. It's kinda like you linking to Vegan websites to support your belief that meat is bad for you

 

[ladysbff]

For sustainable chemicals, replace petroleum with wood

Now the team has detailed the design of an integrated biorefinery that converts 78 percent of the weight of birch into useful chemicals. The process involves separating wood into a solid cellulose paper pulp and a liquid lignin oil. The pulp can be used to make biofuels or natural insulation, while the lignin oil can be processed into chemical building blocks.

To calculate the economic viability of the process, the Belgian researchers worked together with a Belgian-Japanese ink company, since some compounds derived from lignin can be used to make ink. The team assessed whether they could use lignin-based compounds to make chemicals currently made with petroleum.

 

[SageBrush]

For sustainable chemicals, replace petroleum with wood

Now the team has detailed the design of an integrated biorefinery that converts 78 percent of the weight of birch into useful chemicals. The process involves separating wood into a solid cellulose paper pulp and a liquid lignin oil. The pulp can be used to make biofuels or natural insulation, while the lignin oil can be processed into chemical building blocks.

To calculate the economic viability of the process, the Belgian researchers worked together with a Belgian-Japanese ink company, since some compounds derived from lignin can be used to make ink. The team assessed whether they could use lignin-based compounds to make chemicals currently made with petroleum.

It would be helpful to know the pollution and energetics of the "process."

The story did make we wonder though if cellulose could be a fuel cell substrate.

 

[S'toon]

You are right! The military/CIA did say climate change was a huge problem in the 70's and actively began preparing us for it:

The CIA documents the global cooling research of the 1970’s

Oh wait...

As I have previously posted on the incredibly bad source of your article:
Anthony Watts - SourceWatch

Anthony Watts

Anthony Watts - RationalWiki