JRP3
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The physics of the CO2 molecule only have one side.
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Climate Change / Global Warming Discussion
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What Salk Institute of Oceanography? The Salk Institute studies biologicals. Jonas Salk was famous for the Salk polio vaccine.
I am not sure your memory is serving you well.
If rather you are talking about the Scripps Institute of Oceanography, they seem to be pretty clear about the relationship between carbon dioxide production and the need to limit it to avert worsening global warming. They also believe there are additional factors.
Something recent from them to help you with your recall: Time to Broaden Strategy to Avert Catastrophic Climate Change
Now it's both sidism? You know, if you would bring something substantial to the discussion, rather than easily debunked anecdotes about growing Norwegian glaciers and Institutes of Oceanography that question standard science about carbon dioxide and climate, or your love/hate relationship with Al Gore and his superpowerful influence (by the way, he lost to George W, for God's sake), it would be easier to believe that you aren't just trolling us.
JRP3
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Only one side is trying to deny physics though. I'm sorry but your attempts to "both sides" this argument are doomed to failure, all the science is clearly on the side of human induced climate change.
Sorry bud but your appeal to ignorance is exceptionally wanting when compared to basic physics or my own experience.
I have direct experience with heat and mass transfer, space based thermal systems, solar power systems, risk management, and systems engineering.
I’ve looked at the climate change issue for over a decade (to be clear not as a professional). It’s real, it’s based on extremely sound science and we are responsible for about 100% of the net energy imbalance.
I suggest you look at the following links to help close your knowledge gap and if you want I’ll answer any questions if I can.
Climate and Earth’s Energy Budget
Earth’s temperature depends on how much sunlight the land, oceans, and atmosphere absorb, and how much heat the planet radiates back to space. This fact sheet describes the net flow of energy through different parts of the Earth system, and explains how the planetary energy budget stays in balance.
ACS Advocacy Workshops - American Chemical Society
American Chemical Society: Chemistry for Life.
www.acs.org
Norbert
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Physics does apply to Planet Earth, though...as confirmed by climate science.
mspohr
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UN climate talks end in stalemate and ‘hypocrisy’ allegation
European governments have been accused of seeking to exploit the fossil fuel reserves of the developing world, while failing to help them tackle the climate crisis. Campaigners made the charge as the latest round of UN climate negotiations ended in stalemate on Thursday night in Bonn, Germany
How countries choose to react to the war in Ukraine and to soaring energy prices – by boosting renewable energy and improving energy efficiency, as the International Energy Agency has advised, or by seeking fresh sources of fossil fuels – will be decisive in determining whether the world manages to stay within the 1.5C threshold (the target of limiting global heating to 1.5C above pre-industrial levels).
European governments have been accused of seeking to exploit the fossil fuel reserves of the developing world, while failing to help them tackle the climate crisis. Campaigners made the charge as the latest round of UN climate negotiations ended in stalemate on Thursday night in Bonn, Germany
How countries choose to react to the war in Ukraine and to soaring energy prices – by boosting renewable energy and improving energy efficiency, as the International Energy Agency has advised, or by seeking fresh sources of fossil fuels – will be decisive in determining whether the world manages to stay within the 1.5C threshold (the target of limiting global heating to 1.5C above pre-industrial levels).
Interesting video analyzing CO2 footprint by energy production tech.
nwdiver
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We are in an energy crisis and you guys are complaining that the sun delivers too much energy to us ?
I'm happy, here is my May report summary from Enphase:
BTW, I still have excess accumulated on my net metering from last year, despite running everything on electricity in the house (heating/cooling/hot water), and also charging 3 EVs.
I'm happy, here is my May report summary from Enphase:
BTW, I still have excess accumulated on my net metering from last year, despite running everything on electricity in the house (heating/cooling/hot water), and also charging 3 EVs.
JRP3
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Do you think the sun suddenly started putting out more photons?
Of course, not. I know the warming is not due to increased input energy, but the increased portion of the energy being trapped and not allowed to radiate back out into space.
On the other hand, the more photon energy is turned into electricity, less turns into heat, so in a way photovoltaic solar panels help in more than one way (not just replacing energy generated by fossil fuel burning). Although, this effect is probably negligible.
Depends, if solar panel is over rock & concrete, the shading effect will ensure heat do not get retained and released in the evening but instead escapes to the upper atmosphere as it is generated.
Also, when installed on side of tall buildings as walls or windows, it acts like an awning and intercepts heat that would otherwise heat up the walls/windows and enter the building then require cooling. So double benefit!
I see this negating a good portion of the heat island effect.
JRP3
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I hope you see how your previous statement was misleading. Also worth noting that solar panel performance decreases with heat, plus the black of solar panels absorbs more heat than most other surfaces so I doubt the captured photons offset that.
If you say so, but shading means lower temp after sundown and affects how cool it gets over night. You can probably look at shading effect during the day and correlate it to clear vs cloud covered night. Or even compare temps of a forest vs rock canyon. It's not negligible.
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