LoL Rick
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This noise actually has nothing to do with the CV joints. The problem is the splines on the end of the shaft, where they interface with the hub.
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Clunking sound is costing me a bundle to fix out of warranty
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Lasttoy
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That insane ,38k miles, get a lawyer, no way both shafts failed, get them immediately, they belong to you
There is no way the joints failed at 38k miles
I would the them out and get them rebuilt. I have done for my Mercedes.
There is no way the joints failed at 38k miles
I would the them out and get them rebuilt. I have done for my Mercedes.
Half the problems described Ive had... and ESA covered ALL of it. Key fob, sunroof, battery... this makes no sense,
not considered a drivetrain part?
so how does that make noise? Sloppy fitting of the splines? And where does the corrosion come in?
Lasttoy
Active Member
If you can take out axle yourself? I bet you can get new joints installed dirt cheaper than from Tesla.
I send my mercedes axles to philidelpehia to get new joints
I send my mercedes axles to philidelpehia to get new joints
SeminoleFSU
Voluntaryist
okay so it's still not clear if this sound is something to worry about (could leave me and my loved ones stranded, etc) or if not taken to the SC for a 3500 fix could lead to more costly repairs...
Exactly. That's the reason why Tesla has to resolve matters like this in a more customer friendly way under European law and actually does.
Companies like Apple, HP and Dell had to learn the hard way that they had to adapt their 'corporate polities' to respect consumer rights in Europe. Tesla has proven to be a fast learner, so far.
If it is the splines on the half shaft creaking a little, then it would take a very long time before it strips out completely.
Had a BMW X5 for a time that were known to have a badly designed spline on the front drive shaft. Noise would progress from creak to metallic clunk whenever you changed direction, to completely stripped out above 150k miles. By then, there were some improved aftermarket replacements available.
If you can get it replaced under warranty, definitely do that! Even if they refuse initially, make sure the mileage/date of the first complaint is documented so you can get it covered latter.
When I was putting on my winter tires/wheels, I noticed Tesla doesn't "stake" the nuts on the end of the half shaft like many other car makers. Wonder why and if that would help...
Had a BMW X5 for a time that were known to have a badly designed spline on the front drive shaft. Noise would progress from creak to metallic clunk whenever you changed direction, to completely stripped out above 150k miles. By then, there were some improved aftermarket replacements available.
If you can get it replaced under warranty, definitely do that! Even if they refuse initially, make sure the mileage/date of the first complaint is documented so you can get it covered latter.
When I was putting on my winter tires/wheels, I noticed Tesla doesn't "stake" the nuts on the end of the half shaft like many other car makers. Wonder why and if that would help...
This matches the description I was told by the tech. The joints are fine. It's the splines and the hubs that get worn out due to a problem with a washer that leaves them not engaged tightly enough. It is still weird that it needed to be fixed so early, as my last Audi had 250k on the rear axles when I sold it and had never needed so much as a boot replacement. Rear axles should be incredibly durable.
Here you go:
Genuine BMW Output Shaft Left D=40mm - 33212284115 - F06,F10,F12,F13
Maybe do some research before being a jerk...
Not to get too distracted with talk of BMWs, but I looked at those pricey half shafts for the newest M5 and M6. They are doing the same as Tesla - no pieces or boots available, just full assemblies. Other strong BMW platforms (like X5 with 5.0 V8) still show boots available and not just full assemblies.
Oh well, lets hope its somehow a good sign. ;-)
Oh well, lets hope its somehow a good sign. ;-)
I stand corrected, and have one more reason to ridicule the Ultimate Hype Machine.
The most powerful mass produced gas engine is the 707HP Dodge Hellcat V8 which has an IRS. It's axles are $484 full list.
The Viper ACR is famous for parts abuse, $762 owww.
The Jaguar F-Type V8, 575hp, $930 OUCH!!
Porsche 911 GT3? $950 MSRP. Porsche is famous for overpriced parts though.
Rifleman
Now owns 2 Model S's!!!
Joer293
MODEL X P100DL
The definition of a Drivetrain is all of the components connecting the motor to the wheels(including axels). Powertrain is the drivetrain plus the motor. Tesla does not have a "drivetrain" warranty like BMW. Tesla has a "Drive Unit" warranty.
The "drive unit" itself which contains the motor, inverter & gearbox is covered. I recall the mechanics stating the P85 drive unit was a $150 remanufactured part, after subtracting the core cost of the original. If you really do need axels, then those prices look accurate(assuming they don't give core recovery prices). If that Tesla service isn't sure the parts will fix it, find a different service center. Choose one of the older centers that's been around since 2013 if possible. Make sure they completed all of the service bulletins on your car. If they skipped a related bulletin that was at the discretion of the inspecting mechanic during your 4 year period, you can argue that they should have done that bulletin. If it came out during your ESA period, they should still do it for free now, since they opted not to earlier.
I originally bought a demo P85 in 2013 (no miles, just a mall show car). When I had a clunking noise, they replaced only the drive unit and added the bulletins updated washers and wire ties. Then when that reman unit started rumbling they replaced it again, more bulletins, didn't have any issues after that. I've never heard of a base S60 having the same issue, it was always the P85's (and roadsters) that were in the local shop for repairs.
Honestly, the noise won't leave you stranded for a long time. if it's not noticeable just keep it another 10 years. I'm actually surprised the service center didn't pre-empt the conversation by giving you the trade-in offer. You may not want to consider it at all, or maybe you do. Sell Tesla the S 60, and they will send you off in a new or pre-owned 75D. Tesla sales probably won't count the repair against the trade in value, since the new owner gets a fresh warranty anyway. Not sure your car specs, but trade in might be around $35-40k usd. Since they sell 2013 S60's ~ $40-54k usd. A newer 75 has better range, 4th gen powertrain platform, AP, would leave you with a payment though. Tesla has "demo" cars which qualify for the federal US tax break, where as the "Pre-owned" cars do not. Doesn't NJ give a sales tax break on new Electric cars?
The "drive unit" itself which contains the motor, inverter & gearbox is covered. I recall the mechanics stating the P85 drive unit was a $150 remanufactured part, after subtracting the core cost of the original. If you really do need axels, then those prices look accurate(assuming they don't give core recovery prices). If that Tesla service isn't sure the parts will fix it, find a different service center. Choose one of the older centers that's been around since 2013 if possible. Make sure they completed all of the service bulletins on your car. If they skipped a related bulletin that was at the discretion of the inspecting mechanic during your 4 year period, you can argue that they should have done that bulletin. If it came out during your ESA period, they should still do it for free now, since they opted not to earlier.
I originally bought a demo P85 in 2013 (no miles, just a mall show car). When I had a clunking noise, they replaced only the drive unit and added the bulletins updated washers and wire ties. Then when that reman unit started rumbling they replaced it again, more bulletins, didn't have any issues after that. I've never heard of a base S60 having the same issue, it was always the P85's (and roadsters) that were in the local shop for repairs.
Honestly, the noise won't leave you stranded for a long time. if it's not noticeable just keep it another 10 years. I'm actually surprised the service center didn't pre-empt the conversation by giving you the trade-in offer. You may not want to consider it at all, or maybe you do. Sell Tesla the S 60, and they will send you off in a new or pre-owned 75D. Tesla sales probably won't count the repair against the trade in value, since the new owner gets a fresh warranty anyway. Not sure your car specs, but trade in might be around $35-40k usd. Since they sell 2013 S60's ~ $40-54k usd. A newer 75 has better range, 4th gen powertrain platform, AP, would leave you with a payment though. Tesla has "demo" cars which qualify for the federal US tax break, where as the "Pre-owned" cars do not. Doesn't NJ give a sales tax break on new Electric cars?
gavine
Petrol Head turned EV Enthusiast
NJ has no sales tax on on zero emissions vehicles so a 7.5% savings.
LoL Rick
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FLDarren's 60 had the issue of rust on the axle splines a few months before my 85. So not limited to the performance models.
It is problem when when there are no dealers or competition. You have no recourse. You just have to accept the problems and pay
I didn't read all 4 pages but I want to point out one thing, and ask a question to the OP:
1.) Ford F-150s are notorious for having a "clunk" from a stop.
The fix is... basically what Tesla proposes to do as well. Ford went through YEARS of revisions, grease packing, various TSBs, and still hasn't really fully fixed this issue in older trucks. I'm hoping Tesla has figured it out in the latest revisions (mine stopped clunking after 3 replacements)
2.) How is this not covered under warranty? Its drivetrain. No cars are out of the 8 year drivetrain warranty yet.
1.) Ford F-150s are notorious for having a "clunk" from a stop.
2.) How is this not covered under warranty? Its drivetrain. No cars are out of the 8 year drivetrain warranty yet.
