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I don't see the HoA concerns as unreasonable. Those outlets are for reasonable use case, like vaccuming and such which are short term, and not necessarily for plugging you car at full 1kw for 24 hours or more at a stretch. You may make a case that in 24 hours, you will consume only $2 worth of electricity, but it is still $2 that you are not automatically entitled to.
Also they are letting you have your own 240V charger anyway. So they are giving you a path to a solution. it is not that they are blocking you entirely. In fact I would take that route.
Also they are letting you have your own 240V charger anyway. So they are giving you a path to a solution. it is not that they are blocking you entirely. In fact I would take that route.
Exactly. $2 adds up. I'm guessing, at some point when EVs become more common, plugging into any parking lot, side of building, or garage plug might start getting flagged for theft of electricity.
Yes, we should have more EVs.
Yes, they should be easily charged.
Yes, there is likely a strong biz model to allow free charging for some businesses as a way to attract customers.
But - why should any random business be forced to allow use of their electricity?
I'm not allowed to run an extension cord over to my neighbors house to charge (or run my garage refrigerator for that matter).
The HOA is a business.
It's not the money I guess the HOA is concerned as much as the worry that a few other trouble maker tenants in there would make a stink out of it or worse use this to their advantage to violate other rules.
So if they send a letter to trim your trees they are equally obligated to send letters on perceived abuse of common property.
So if they send a letter to trim your trees they are equally obligated to send letters on perceived abuse of common property.
mikeash
Active Member
On the fire hazard end of things, if you want to get cheeky (you probably don't), then write to express concern that several residents have been spotted storing volatile flammable chemicals in the garage.
True.
My thought would be the other things (tree trimming) are documented, this "electricity theft" is not a HOA rule. But just the board acting in the interest of the HOA.
What the others would likely complain about is the money. Calculate how much one would use in electricity. OP didn't state how frequently they would be there.. Multiply it by 10x (or 100x) and offer that to the HOA in lieu of putting in your own infrastructure. If that doesn't work, offer it directly to the board members
On the other hand, a 20a 220v (or even 120V) outlet shouldn't cost that much to have installed.
I wrote to Tesla support and got a quick answer back as follows:
Hello Greg,
Thank you for reaching out to us today. To technical support’s knowledge, there are no such documents. The operation of the Tesla and the cable are all safe and should function fine under normal electrical codes/regulations. However, if the outlet is connected to a circuit with multiple outlets, drawing a continuous 15amps may cause issues depending on what else is running on that circuit. Unfortunately my knowledge behind specifics is limited, so you may want to reach out to our charging and installation team for further details. Their hours are M-F 9-5 PST: (650) 681-6133
Thank you,
Brandon Hulsey | Roadside Support Specialist
45500 Fremont Blvd | Fremont, CA 94538
24/7 Support 1-877-79-TESLA
Hello Greg,
Thank you for reaching out to us today. To technical support’s knowledge, there are no such documents. The operation of the Tesla and the cable are all safe and should function fine under normal electrical codes/regulations. However, if the outlet is connected to a circuit with multiple outlets, drawing a continuous 15amps may cause issues depending on what else is running on that circuit. Unfortunately my knowledge behind specifics is limited, so you may want to reach out to our charging and installation team for further details. Their hours are M-F 9-5 PST: (650) 681-6133
Thank you,
Brandon Hulsey | Roadside Support Specialist
45500 Fremont Blvd | Fremont, CA 94538
24/7 Support 1-877-79-TESLA
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
A petition that includes the other condo owners is something to consider, if this is just a case of isolated trumpism.
SabrToothSqrl
Active Member
Where do you get this? Where is the published list of the uses that are allowed for those outlets? Not entitled to? Those are part of the facilities that are paid for by him in his HOA dues, so he is paying for it, so yes, he is entitled to use them. Other people who are not part of the HOA would not be entitled to use them.
Wow, this whole thing is just wrong. This isn't some random business or neighbor, where it would be theft of electricity. These are the facilities and electricity that HE IS PAYING FOR with his HOA dues, so they are resources paid for and provided for him and the other residents.
Let's say the HOA buys gas to power their lawn mowers. And let's say this gas canister is standing in the garage, with easy access for everyone to use. But it's obvious that the intended use is only for staff to be able to fuel the lawn mower, which serves the whole community, not just one resident.
Do you think that since he paid his HOA dues, including paying for the gas for the lawn mower, that he's entitled to siphon off some small amount of gas, because he has an ICE?
mikeash
Active Member
The HOA is a legally separate entity from the residents, so the "he is paying for it" argument doesn't make sense, any more than it would if you plugged in without permission at a business you patronize.
I'm surprised at how much entitlement is being displayed in this thread. I agree that the HOA absolutely should allow him to plug in, but if they don't want to they don't have to. The fact that he's a member doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants with their facilities.
I'm surprised at how much entitlement is being displayed in this thread. I agree that the HOA absolutely should allow him to plug in, but if they don't want to they don't have to. The fact that he's a member doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants with their facilities.
Gizmotoy
Active Member
Not that $2 changes the argument, but that seems off. Isn't the national average price per kWh $0.12? Colorado's, specifically, is $0.10 per kWh.
Sounds like you're in for some passive-aggressive bickering, OP. Probably should just install the charger as they suggest and be done with it, otherwise you'll end up in a war with petty people who have nothing better to do.
It'd be funny if you had a 120V outlet installed in one of those clear boxes with a lock so the HOA can't use it.
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