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Coming Soon in Canada: Gas Stations With Climate-Change Warnings

Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by Ktowntslafan, Nov 27, 2015.

  1. Ktowntslafan

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    Thought this was an interesting about face on climate change by the oil rich Canadian province of Alberta. http://alberta.ca/climate/
     
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    Ktown, whilst I fully support through labeling of the gas pumps, please spare us the political commentary (either in written or pictorial form)
     
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    Jaff, noted and please accept my apology.

    I have removed the political commentary in question. Want more then anything to keep this thread on track...great stuff.
     
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    This is so cool and might actually be effective. How soon will these be public facing and how fast do service stations need to put these in place?
     
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    I'm not sure of timelines, but here is their contact info: Our Horizon

    They have a great kit here: Advocacy Action Kit : Our Horizon Everything you need to start a movement in your municipality. I'm all over my city council already.



     
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    Ah, I see that this is not yet law, but I salute the effort! Here's to hoping that this catches on. It seemed to really impact those who bought and used tobacco.
     
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    Share the toolkit with some young people in your life...it will catch on...

    Derek Sivers: How to start a movement | TED Talk | TED.com
     
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    I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. Someone in the comments summed it up.

    I drive an ICE. Do I want to? No. Do I want to look at the animals I know I might kill because I can't yet afford a 200 mile BEV? F no.

    This only makes it an us-vs-them scenario, everyone loses. This is coming from someone studying for a career of designing environmentally friendly transportation and structural systems.
     
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    Disagree 100%
    It's uncomfortable for people...but that's what's needed...just like warnings on cigarette packs. Shocking, uncomfortable, effective.
    Then the conversation turns to alternatives...EV's
     
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    There is plenty of big money and power that will continue to play the "us vs. them" game, like they have been for decades already. I see no problem with the "us" team making some plays.
     
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    #13 Ktowntslafan, Nov 27, 2015
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    Never mind animals...

    Label-Asthma-300x300.jpg

    As a new parent this one hits home, big time.

    Want an EV? Hit your politician up. Tell them to Stop Subsidizing Fossil Fuels. Start Subsidizing Electric Vehicles.

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    May I ask what's more ridiculous...the pump labels or this:

    Fossil fuel subsidies: G20 spends billions to push us closer to climate disaster - YouTube

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    True Dat:

    Tesla’s Elon Musk Presses for Action on Climate Change at ‘Racing Extinction’ Screening - YouTube

    Merchants of Doubt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    For the record, this initiative is getting some spirited praise globally on Twitter. Great timing!

    Pearl Going on Twitter:

    Richard Forrester on Twitter:

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    Indeed...let's push:

    http://ourhorizon.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Letter-from-Our-Horizon-to-PM-Trudeau-and-Minister-McKenna-re-Climate-Change-Labels-on-Gas-Pumps-30-11-2015.pdf

    Rob Shirkey on Twitter:

    Our Horizon on Twitter:
     
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    ???? The fact that climate change causes political instability which allows Islamic Extremists to flourish is pretty well established science...

    'Climate change poses another significant challenge for the United States and the world at large.As greenhouse gas emissions increase, sea levels are rising, average global temperatures areincreasing, and severe weather patterns are accelerating. These changes, coupled with otherglobal dynamics, including growing, urbanizing, more affluent populations, and substantialeconomic growth in India, China, Brazil, and other nations, will devastate homes, land, andinfrastructure. Climate change may exacerbate water scarcity and lead to sharp increases in foodcosts. The pressures caused by climate change will influence resource competition while placingadditional burdens on economies, societies, and governance institutions around the world.These effects are threat multipliers that will aggravate stressors abroad such as poverty,environmental degradation, political instability, and social tensions – conditions that can enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence. ' - 2014 quadrennial defense review PAGE 8



    'Intelligence assessments, the report says, conclude that climate change could deepen globalpoverty, exacerbate water and other resource shortages, further weaken already fragilegovernments, accelerate the spread of disease, and create more demands for humanitarian anddisaster assistance. Climate change, the report says, may multiply the burdens on already fragilesocieties because regions of the globe likely to be most adversely affected overlap to a largedegree with regions that are already resource poor and suffer from poor governance.' - 2010 quadrennial defense review

    No one is suggesting that ALL acts of terrorism are caused by AGW... but there will be acts of terrorism that would likely not have occurred if not for AGW. The Paris attacks very likely fall into that category.

    This isn't politics... it's peer reviewed science.





     
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    "note to self...nwdiver is smart, very smart. Do not try to debate him/her, you will lose"
     
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    Because they cut and pasted a couple of quotes from a report written by Pentagon bureaucrats with a political agenda? That qualifies as peer reviewed?

    I agree with the premise of James Anders, this is the reason why people treat it as a political issue. Because it seems it is about money, power and more regulation, which circularly solidifies more power.

    Honest question that I have been wanting to ask but did not want to start a new discussion. Couldn't this whole COP-21 meeting been done virtually? All through modern virtual technology? I believe that this would have resonated more in the hearts of people who are in my opinion legitimately skeptical. Imagine if the world leasers had said:

    "Climate change and carbon emissions are directly correlated. That being said, we see the urgency and do not want to contribute to a negative carbon footprint. Therefore, this will be the first virtual meeting of 150 world leaders, etc. We are setting the example.....and showing you how technology can be a suitable mechanism for in person meetings and a large portion of jet travel"

    Would that have not been more compelling to the general public and seemed less hypocritical and self serving?
     
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    The alternative to ICE is not just a $100k EV - it's also public transit. So, there are options one can afford.
     

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